FUNimation DBZ TV Blu-ray Official On-Going Thread

[TripleRach]

For reference sake, Dragon Ball episodes are 24 minutes, not 21. Please stop throwing the wrong numbers around.

...Unless you're trying to encourage them to delete the openings and endings and pretend the combined episodes on each disc are a 3 hour movie, then I'll have to fly to Texas and yell a lot.

[Rukura]

The Blu-Ray format has nothing to do with it. FUNi likely can't tinker with the Japanese audio tracks they have. The music, sound effects, etc are already mixed in, so they can't take it out. Plus, what audience is there for that? I think I can count on one hand the number of people who would actually even want to see something like that.

How did they make the "english voices with japanese music" track again?

I've read plenty of people saying they no longer dislike the japanese voices because of keeping up with the broadcast of Kai, but won't touch the Kikuchi music (which is ironic, but also besides the point). It might be just people being curious and not really wanting it but, if it's possible to do, why not?

I figure they need something (anything) new to advertise for these. Because クヘタルにくこと, aka. "The way it was meant to be seen" and "Original Japanese masters" is already taken

[jjgp1112]

They were already given the Japanese music track, and since they have a separate mix for the English voices since it's their dub, they mixed them together. If they wanted to mix the Japanese voices with the dub music, they'd have to have a seaerate Japanese voice track, which I highly doubt they have, and doubt even more that Toei would actually give that to them.

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

How did they make the "english voices with japanese music" track again?

Here's a list of the audio materials that FUNi was provided by Toei:

- Fully mixed Japanese audio track
- Isolated music track
- Isolated sound effects track

...and doubt even more that Toei would actually give that to them.

Even Toei themselves no longer have it.

Or so kei17 says.

[Rukura]

So...that's it?
They're just gonna repackage the (most likely) Orange Bricks or perhaps Dragon Boxes into Blu-ray as is, and hope to stike gold? (Which they won't after the second or third set)

Quick question though. They made the crappy remastering for 1080p masters, and downsampled them to 480p for the dvd release...and it looked terrible. At its full 1080p in which they were scanned....won't it look worse?

[MarcFBR]

Quick question though. They made the crappy remastering for 1080p masters, and downsampled them to 480p for the dvd release...and it looked terrible. At its full 1080p in which they were scanned....won't it look worse?

There is evidence that that was the fault of one of Funi's encoding people tweaking settings during the downscaling process.

A few sets into the orange brick release the video quality jumps up quite a bit, which lines up exactly with when that person left and someone new replaced them.

[Rukura]

So would it actually look better, or just not as bad? Because all the other crap that went along with the remastering (color corrections, dvnrs, 20% picture loss, grain removal) would still apply, right?

[MarcFBR]

So would it actually look better, or just not as bad? Because all the other crap that went along with the remastering (color corrections, dvnrs, 20% picture loss, grain removal) would still apply, right?

Part of the issue is the way you are thinking about it.

Let's go ahead and assume for this argument it's the same '1080p digital masters' they made roughly half a decade ago.

Cropped to widescreen- Would still exist.

Everything else- Color and DVNR (grain would fall under DVNR here) as it appears on the DVD could have been tweaked FURTHER past what the 1080p masters look like.

Based on the video quality inherently changing when the encoding person changed, it appears many changes were made to the footage specifically for the DVD, otherwise those issues would appear on all the sets. Some of the more major DVNR issues stopped appearing a few sets in.


The truth is, while I don't expect anything brilliant, we've only ever seen those TV masters after they've been tweaked for use on a DVD, where there could easily be a dozen steps from master to DVD, and the steps made from master to BD can be completely different.

[Rukura]

So...the tagline is: "Dragon Ball Z Level 1.1 - The way the Season Sets were meant to be seen"?

Oh man, i can't wait for hear a review of this on the podcast.

Side note. Anyone know where i can get the Funi Dragon Boxes being in Europe and no credit card?

[Choujin Daizenshuu]

That's neither here nor there. I'm just saying what the arguments of the people who wanted the dub on the box were, not your misrepresentation.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't FUNimation's intention for the Dragon Boxes designed to appeal to the fans who only watched Dragon Ball Z specifically for its uncut content that was available only on VHS distro fansubs a couple decades ago and who don't specifically care for the Cartoon Network broadcast or any other additions that FUNimation felt that they needed to add to give the show a suped up release? And for that matter, wasn't the orange boxes designed to cater to the fans who remember the show fondly from Cartoon Network?

So...the tagline is: "Dragon Ball Z Level 1.1 - The way the Season Sets were meant to be seen"?

DRAGON BALL Z LEVEL 1.1 - Doesn't that sound more like a video game than a DVD release?

Level objectives:
-Defeat Raditz
-Train in the wilderness
TIME BONUS: 5000

Trophies:
-Saiyan Stopper
-Dinosaur Tamer
-Snake Charmer
-Hell Fugitive
etc...

[Rukura]

So...the tagline is: "Dragon Ball Z Level 1.1 - The way the Season Sets were meant to be seen"?

DRAGON BALL Z LEVEL 1.1 - Doesn't that sound more like a video game than a DVD release?

After having Evangelion 1.01 - 1.11 - 2.02 - 2.22 ...i couldn't really tell ya one way or the other lol

Level objectives:
-Defeat Raditz
-Train in the wilderness
TIME BONUS: 5000

Level 1 - Objectives:
Defeat Raditz using Piccolo as a support character.

Time Limit:
3 moons

[jjgp1112]

Again, that has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand - all I'm doing is saying what the other side was arguing, not whether they were correct or not.

[Choujin Daizenshuu]

Again, that has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand - all I'm doing is saying what the other side was arguing, not whether they were correct or not.

It's cool.

Now how about them Blu-Rays?

[Luke Groundwalker]

Just a question I'm not sure on: Wouldn't to get even a remotely decent Bluray transfer, TOEI would have to redraw the entire series ala Kai only no cropping and no edited out filler?

That's the impression I'm getting at least, since high quality versions of these episodes seemingly do not exist yet, you would pretty much have to re-create the picture from scratch in a lot of ways. I think some animated movies are transferred this way, yet others are not and it tends to look pretty damn bad.

TOEI really just needs to put the resources in remaking the entire series from the start to be honest.

[jjgp1112]

Only a select few scenes in Kai were redrawn.

[Luke Groundwalker]

Only a select few scenes in Kai were redrawn.

I'm pretty positive you're wrong on that. Matter of fact I've seen the production diary for the series when it was first being produced, and animators were literally taking the old images and redrawing the lines surrounding the characters and fixing up the colors to high definition. I dunno if that's called "redrawn" or not, though. I think "restoration" might be a better term for that.

[jjgp1112]

Only a select few scenes in Kai were redrawn.

I'm pretty positive you're wrong on that. Matter of fact I've seen the production diary for the series when it was first being produced, and animators were literally taking the old images and redrawing the lines surrounding the characters and fixing up the colors to high definition. I dunno if that's called "redrawn" or not, though.

No, it was only a few scenes per episode. The scenes that were redrawn are glaringly obvious. Those scenes that were being traced were those said redrawn scenes. Everything else though, has just been brightened up and blurred.

[penguintruth]

Some of the redrawn stuff in the Cell Games was gorgeous, though.

[Luke Groundwalker]

Only a select few scenes in Kai were redrawn.

I'm pretty positive you're wrong on that. Matter of fact I've seen the production diary for the series when it was first being produced, and animators were literally taking the old images and redrawing the lines surrounding the characters and fixing up the colors to high definition. I dunno if that's called "redrawn" or not, though.

No, it was only a few scenes per episode. The scenes that were redrawn are glaringly obvious. Those scenes that were being traced were those said redrawn scenes. Everything else though, has just been brightened up and blurred.

Are you sure about that? I remember them being pretty specific about how much effort they put into redrawing scenes in the Kai episodes, but I do notice that the backgrounds in Kai are always consistently blurry so I'm not surprised this is the case. If this is true then I'm even more apathetic towards Kai than I was beforehand.

Though it's also worth noting that just because something seems like it wasn't redrawn, doesn't mean it wasn't. I mean, are there any specific examples you could provide comparing redrawn scenes to non-redrawn scenes?

[jjgp1112]

I'm 99.9% sure. It's pretty much the general consensus on here. Again: the scenes that were redrawn are very clear. Most of them look a lot more "modern" in comparison to the rest of the episode, and at their worst, look like flash animation. The rest of the episode very clearly look like 16mm film that's blurred.