FUNimation DBZ TV Blu-ray Official On-Going Thread

[Patient-mental]

Well now it is going to be on blu ray they can offer a view of:

16:9 Cropped - With freakish brightness
4:3 - Over saturated first FUNi Broadcast quality
4:3 - 1080p Dragon Box Masters - Completely untouched.

Audio:

5.1/7.1 New dub with Japanese BGM*
2.0 - Old dub with Faulconer
2.0 - Japenese with Steve Simmons sub.

Extras:
- Textless Intros
- Next Ep preview
- Ads*
- % off of Daizenshuu's (After all have been translated)*

Play Modes:
- Marathon Mode (Only Episodes with one Intro and Outro per disc)
- Play All (Contains all Intros and Outros + Next Episode Preview)


*Unlikely to happen.

[Treklin]

I have a question:

(If-case): Is FUNimation redubbing Dragon Ball Z since they released Dragon Ball Z Kai Part 1 back 2010?
I mean could it be that FUNi have already redub Dragon Ball Z last year (2010) and (re)mixed the dub to Dragon Ball Z Kai and now they put it on the new Blu-ray release???

I do not read the entire 14 pages but I want to point this out... I think it is a interesting question.

[Undercooked Sausage]

I've bought this show like 4 times already but i'll probably buy this stupid shit if they throw in some extras or Goku wears a cowboy hat or something in this version.

Real talk, if they include all the toonami ads as extras, do some commentaries and shit, redub a bunch of it. use dece masters and made it look as good as Dragonball Kai I'll hit it up but not until they up the episode count. 18 episodes on a set of a 291 episode series that has been released this often is unacceptable. We've gotten used to pay roughly a buck an episode for this show for four years now and I don't see why that should change now.

Maybe in my dreams they'd find a better source for the Japanese audio or clean it up somehow. Even Fist of the North Star sounds better than Dragonball.

Buuuut something tells me this is a barebones cash-in release with just the episodes + trailers of upcoming shows bullshit they've been throwing at us for years now.

[Undercooked Sausage]

I have a question:

(If-case): Is FUNimation redubbing Dragon Ball Z since they released Dragon Ball Z Kai Part 1 back 2010?
I mean could it be that FUNi have already redub Dragon Ball Z last year (2010) and (re)mixed the dub to Dragon Ball Z Kai and now they put it on the new Blu-ray release???

Hate to ruin everyones day here but no company is going to re-dub 291 episodes of a children's cartoon show for a fifth re-release on blu ray format.

291 episodes is a lot. How many years was The Simpsons running before it hit that number, like fifteen? a complete re-dub is never going to happen. Ever. I can't even fathom how much money they would be throwing out the window.

[funrush]

I have a question:

(If-case): Is FUNimation redubbing Dragon Ball Z since they released Dragon Ball Z Kai Part 1 back 2010?
I mean could it be that FUNi have already redub Dragon Ball Z last year (2010) and (re)mixed the dub to Dragon Ball Z Kai and now they put it on the new Blu-ray release???

Hate to ruin everyones day here but no company is going to re-dub 291 episodes of a children's cartoon show for a fifth re-release on blu ray format.

291 episodes is a lot. How many years was The Simpsons running before it hit that number, like fifteen? a complete re-dub is never going to happen. Ever. I can't even fathom how much money they would be throwing out the window.

It wouldn't be throwing out money, it'd be a reason to buy these set for a fifth time other than the 1080p remastering.

[jjgp1112]

I really doubt they're redubbing anything, and anybody expecting them to splice in the Kai dub are being wholly unrealistic. The press release already says original voices and original FUNi soundtrack, so I don't know what the hell you guys are expecting.

[KiddoCabbusses]

I really doubt they're redubbing anything, and anybody expecting them to splice in the Kai dub are being wholly unrealistic. The press release already says original voices and original FUNi soundtrack, so I don't know what the hell you guys are expecting.

The original Toonami-era performances? That'd make it stand out from the DVD Bricks, since they re-dubbed a lot there.

[jjgp1112]

Well, uh, redubbed Vegeta and whatnot still counts as an "Original voice" since it's the same actor and the voice he's been using for Vegeta for the past 8 years. They're likely just copying & pasting the Season set audio.

[fps_anth]

I have a question:

(If-case): Is FUNimation redubbing Dragon Ball Z since they released Dragon Ball Z Kai Part 1 back 2010?
I mean could it be that FUNi have already redub Dragon Ball Z last year (2010) and (re)mixed the dub to Dragon Ball Z Kai and now they put it on the new Blu-ray release???

Hate to ruin everyones day here but no company is going to re-dub 291 episodes of a children's cartoon show for a fifth re-release on blu ray format.

291 episodes is a lot. How many years was The Simpsons running before it hit that number, like fifteen? a complete re-dub is never going to happen. Ever. I can't even fathom how much money they would be throwing out the window.

It wouldn't be throwing out money, it'd be a reason to buy these set for a fifth time other than the 1080p remastering.

For you. 90% of the Dragon Ball fanbase doesn't give a shit about video quality, voice acting quality, music, next episode previews or any of that shit we care about.

They see Dragon Ball, and they buy. cause trunks is sick yo.

[TonyTheTiger]

I have a really, really hard time believing the Blu-rays will be 16:9. Even the Kai DVDs are 4:3 despite being 16:9 cropped in Japan. The backlash over the cropping was far more severe than any other aspect of the Orange Bricks so I doubt we'll be seeing any aspect ratio shenanigans from FUNimation ever again.

I'm going to take a stab in the dark that it'll include the same audio as the Orange Bricks, probably as a lossless encode. I honestly expect the video to look pretty decent. A 4:3 transfer with more conservative DVNR. Basically something along the lines of the recent Curse of the Blood Rubies release albeit in high def.

The Dragon Box footage was apparently only captured at 480p by Pony Canyon so there would be no way to get a high definition Dragon Box to look even halfway decent. So while I have reservations over the timing of the release, they'd probably be doing the right thing not using Dragon Box footage. Outside of blatant failures in remastering, a worse looking generational copy natively 1080p will look better in high def than a great looking copy upscaled from 480p.

I find it patently unbelievable that FUNi wouldn't have a copy of their DBZ footage from before any of the Orange Brick remastering and they'll probably be returning to that in order to produce these Blu-rays.

[Zestanor]

The Dragon Box footage was apparently only captured at 480p by Pony Canyon

Apparently? How do you know? I know the Orange Bricks hyped their "scanned in HD!" but that's actually nothing special. They could have gone 2k, or 4k. Film isn't often scanned at 480p, or it wouldn't make sense to scan at 480p anyway. 480p is weird because there are so many versions of it, as it is so much affected by the old analogue standards. You'd think 640 would make sense for a horizontal resolution, but DVD is 720. Then some will say the width should be 704, or 710.85. Then there's the fact that 480 is often actually 486. That's why I think the Dragon Box masters were probably scanned at least at good ol' square pixel not-affected-by-analogue 1080 line progressive.

[Pokewhiz7]

Not to mention a lot of people forget that you can put 480p video on a Blu-Ray disk just fine. If you did that you could fit a shit ton of episodes on there with much less compression.

[TripleRach]

Not to mention a lot of people forget that you can put 480p video on a Blu-Ray disk just fine. If you did that you could fit a shit ton of episodes on there with much less compression.

Marc and I have actually done the math on that a lot. I think the last estimate we had was around 160-170 MB per episode (with a decent AVC encode, similar to what's been used commercially on other anime), which would allow for about 146 episodes per single layer BD. So all of DBZ in 480p on 2 single layer BDs, or 1 dual layer.

But the press release for this specifically mentioned "high definition" and "1080p," so we obviously won't be getting anything like that.

[MarcFBR]

Not to mention a lot of people forget that you can put 480p video on a Blu-Ray disk just fine. If you did that you could fit a shit ton of episodes on there with much less compression.

Problem there is, that sort of thing just won't be done minus a few episodes here and there as an extra.

Ignoring all the various reasons there is one simple reason.

Those few disks would be fuck all expensive. We don't get charged 'by the disk' but rather 'by the content'

That is why we have never seen a BD with just a mass of shit on it in lower resolutions, and frankly, never will for any resembling a mass market disk.

[saiyajinslayer]

In reality, most of us will probably buy the first set, and if we think it's good, we will keep buying it. If we don't like it, we stop buying then( ex: orang bricks).

[Lord Exor]

I'd acquire these if they had a music-only track for the Faulconer Productions soundtrack.

[TonyTheTiger]

The Dragon Box footage was apparently only captured at 480p by Pony Canyon

Apparently? How do you know?

I thought it was mentioned in a few Dragon Box discussions that they were 480p.

Edit: Yeah, a Google search for "Dragon Box" and "480p" brings up a few different places.

Not to mention a lot of people forget that you can put 480p video on a Blu-Ray disk just fine. If you did that you could fit a shit ton of episodes on there with much less compression.

And it would look no better than a DVD then. Not really the point of a Blu-ray release unless you're only interested in the convenience of having an entire series on a single disc.

[Pokewhiz7]

[quote="TonyTheTiger"][/quote]Less compression means less macroblocking. It's not just the video either, the audio can sound much clearer.

[MarcFBR]

It's not just the video either, the audio can sound much clearer.

I like how you ignored my post since it pointed out a huge reason why 480i/p wouldn't happen for main content on a BD.


I'll go ahead and point out another, and arguably more important reason.


Quite a few BD players won't upscale 480i/p content on a BD before sending it to the TV, so it'll generally look ratty as all hell.

Which makes putting 480i/p as primary content on a commercial BD unlikely to happen since it would end up looking worse than a DVD due to the scaling.

[TonyTheTiger]

Also worth noting that it's not like the Dragon Box DVDs are wanting for bandwidth. I doubt cranking it up further would accomplish much.