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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by MarcFBR » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:52 pm

TonyTheTiger wrote:Also worth noting that it's not like the Dragon Box DVDs are wanting for bandwidth. I doubt cranking it up further would accomplish much.
This I'll actually disagree with to a point.

Cranking it up further for MPEG-2 wouldn't accomplish much.

AVC/H.264 compression inherently is less 'destructive' to video than MPEG-2.
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Post by TonyTheTiger » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:56 pm

Good point. But the question is what we would get of the original print that we didn't get from the lossy but still awesome DVD encode. At some point, based on how the cels were captured, there will be diminishing returns. It might look better but it might not be "buy the show again" better.

Of course, I am basing this on the assumption Pony Canyon didn't opt for an HD resolution during the remastering process, which I am now starting to question given that despite hearing that a few times I can't quite place where that info originally came from.

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Post by Kendamu » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:15 pm

saiyajinslayer wrote:In reality, most of us will probably buy the first set, and if we think it's good, we will keep buying it. If we don't like it, we stop buying then( ex: orang bricks).
Provided the money's right at the time of release and it turns out to be something other than the Orange Bricks in 1080p, that's actually my plan.

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Post by Choujin Daizenshuu » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:30 pm

Undercooked Sausage wrote:I've bought this show like 4 times already but i'll probably buy this stupid shit if they throw in some extras or Goku wears a cowboy hat or something in this version.
You want to know what's sad about that post? People just may very well buy all 291 episodes of Dragon Ball Z again...just to see Goku in a fucking cowboy hat.

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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by Puto » Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:56 am

TonyTheTiger wrote:Good point. But the question is what we would get of the original print that we didn't get from the lossy but still awesome DVD encode. At some point, based on how the cels were captured, there will be diminishing returns. It might look better but it might not be "buy the show again" better.

Of course, I am basing this on the assumption Pony Canyon didn't opt for an HD resolution during the remastering process, which I am now starting to question given that despite hearing that a few times I can't quite place where that info originally came from.
I think the Dragon Boxes were made before HD became common, so I don't see Toei "we do everything as cheaply as we can" randomly choosing to do the remastering in HD way back in 2001 or whenever the DBoxes were made.
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Post by MarcFBR » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:42 am

Puto wrote:
TonyTheTiger wrote:Good point. But the question is what we would get of the original print that we didn't get from the lossy but still awesome DVD encode. At some point, based on how the cels were captured, there will be diminishing returns. It might look better but it might not be "buy the show again" better.

Of course, I am basing this on the assumption Pony Canyon didn't opt for an HD resolution during the remastering process, which I am now starting to question given that despite hearing that a few times I can't quite place where that info originally came from.
I think the Dragon Boxes were made before HD became common, so I don't see Toei "we do everything as cheaply as we can" randomly choosing to do the remastering in HD way back in 2001 or whenever the DBoxes were made.
Original Dragon Box came out in 2003, so work likely started in 2002, or possible in 2001 (which is roughly a year or so after Toei first started doing 'normal' TV anime on DVD and was sure it could sell.)

Plenty of classic films that came out on DVD around that time period had extended delays for their BD releases later on because the film had to be rescanned, because remastering was done at 1080i (good enough for HDTV and DVD.) These were films that had large remastering budgets and the studios.

Let us go so far as to say there is no evidence it was only done at 1080p.

The truth is, it wouldn't have been done at 1080p back then, especially with the only plans being a DVD release.

Remastering at higher resolutions 'for the future' and 'for archiving' is relatively recent. It wasn't done at the time, hard drive space wasn't nearly as cheap as it was now, and they were at a premium for space.

There are shows drawn digitally as vectors from the last few years, that were output at 480i/p, that will never be 1080p, because they didn't have the spare space to stick higher resolution master copies.


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edit- And oh yeah I forgot one thing... any remaster of that era wouldn't be up to the standards of modern releases. So it'd be tossed anyways. Remastering back then wasn't done how it is nowadays... so even if it was done back then at 1080p, it'd be trashed now due to issues with the quality of the remastering. But maybe if I put a pin on and tap it Geordi could beam me up to the Enterprise-D...
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Post by Vegeta1984 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:57 am

Looks like Dragon Ball Z Level 1.2 is already up on Amazon.com, someone on twitter said an December release http://www.amazon.com/Dragonball-Z-Leve ... 325&sr=1-7... But I seriously dought I'll be getting this, unless it's full screen and a decent enough remaster....
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Post by Kendamu » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:28 pm

Choujin Daizenshuu wrote:
Undercooked Sausage wrote:I've bought this show like 4 times already but i'll probably buy this stupid shit if they throw in some extras or Goku wears a cowboy hat or something in this version.
You want to know what's sad about that post? People just may very well buy all 291 episodes of Dragon Ball Z again...just to see Goku in a fucking cowboy hat.
Most people will actually buy it for less. Though the cowboy hat thing was funny.

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Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:50 pm

Amazon has updated their listing with an image. It's probably not the actual box art but, I'm guessing this is promotional art for this line. This will probably be used for box 1.1.

Goku's dub speech to Freeza is on there as well as "Doragon Boru Zetto". Which I think is pretty stupid.

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Post by Patient-mental » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:13 pm

Could be like the Dragon Box Z's cover "Tag-line".

"A journey that began long ago, in a place neither near nor far..."

But more focused towards the dub fans, who see Son as a super hero.

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Post by Kendamu » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:35 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:Amazon has updated their listing with an image. It's probably not the actual box art but, I'm guessing this is promotional art for this line. This will probably be used for box 1.1.

Some things I wanna point out. Goku's dub speech to Freeza is on there as well as "Doragon Boru Zetto". Which I think is pretty stupid.

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That horrible mistranslation is a very popular speech to the dub fans that make up the majority of the buyers of this release. I'm sure to them it'll be pretty cool. What we really need is some sort of HD teaser with a couple seconds of actual footage, though. That would pretty much put an end to any speculation on if this is some sort of new remaster.

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Post by Soul » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:48 pm

I gotta say I love that promo picture though.
Very sick; otherwise? The question on who these are for? Duh! The dub fans who bought the season sets of course! Most of those casual fans who only cared about owning the show they grew up with on DVD, and now they'll upgrade to Blu-ray. Its that simple.

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Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:52 pm

Soul wrote:I gotta say I love that promo picture though.
Very sick; otherwise? The question on who these are for? Duh! The dub fans who bought the season sets of course! Most of those casual fans who only cared about owning the show they grew up with on DVD, and now they'll upgrade to Blu-ray. Its that simple.
I think they put Goku's dub speech on there for the dub fans and the ""Doragon Boru Zetto" for everyone else. I guess that's FUNimation's way of reaching everyone?

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Post by Patient-mental » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:12 am

Well, everyone who will throw countless dollars at them.

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Post by penguintruth » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:22 am

Ah, yes, the "ally to good, nightmare to you" speech. What a great thing to use for this release. It perfectly encapsulates its idiocy.
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Post by Cacarot » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:46 am

penguintruth wrote:Ah, yes, the "ally to good, nightmare to you" speech. What a great thing to use for this release. It perfectly encapsulates its idiocy.
Even though that line deviates from Goku's character, even you have to admit, that was a pretty cool speech.

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Post by Gotham22 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:50 am

Soul wrote:I gotta say I love that promo picture though.
Very sick; otherwise? The question on who these are for? Duh! The dub fans who bought the season sets of course! Most of those casual fans who only cared about owning the show they grew up with on DVD, and now they'll upgrade to Blu-ray. Its that simple.
Just like the sub fans got the Dragon Boxes for buying the season sets.
I can say the samething for sub fans and they got their release and the show they grew up on.
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Post by SuperAndroid11 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:50 am

Cacarot wrote:
penguintruth wrote:Ah, yes, the "ally to good, nightmare to you" speech. What a great thing to use for this release. It perfectly encapsulates its idiocy.
Even though that line deviates from Goku's character, even you have to admit, that was a pretty cool speech.
Nah, it's terribly lame.

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Post by Soul » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:02 am

Gotham22 wrote:
Soul wrote:I gotta say I love that promo picture though.
Very sick; otherwise? The question on who these are for? Duh! The dub fans who bought the season sets of course! Most of those casual fans who only cared about owning the show they grew up with on DVD, and now they'll upgrade to Blu-ray. Its that simple.
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Just like the sub fans got the Dragon Boxes for buying the season sets.
I can say the samething for sub fans and they got their release and the show they grew up on.
Now hoping both audio and video quality is superior to that of the Dragon Box, then the BD release will be worth it for everyone. But come on, I can't seriously say that without laughing.

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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by Gotham22 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:14 am

It's Blu-ray so of course it will be superior.
If it was on DVD then I'll probbaly be laughing too.

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