Strength Comparisons Between Buu Forms

[SSJ2bardock]

Hey everybody, it's been a while since I've been here. Good to be back!

So I made a comment on a youtube video about SSJ3 Goku versus Mystic Gohan (sorry about the fan term, I don't really know how else to describe him ) and someone started arguing with me that Goku was stronger. Basically person X is claiming that "Kid Buu is the strongest Buu and Goku beat him" as their logic behind Goku being the superior fighter. I attempted to explain that Kid Buu was not the strongest, simply the most evil of all the Buu's. Needless to say it didn't go over well.

So my question is, am I right about this? I know that the Gotenks absorbed and Gohan absorbed Buu's are greatly superior to the Kid version, but now that I've actually thought about it I'm not exactly sure if Kid Buu is on par with Super Buu or not. What does everyone think? I'm not looking for a foolish "power level" thread, I'm legitimately trying to find an answer through deductive reasoning and what I've seen in the anime.

What I think:

SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku, Super Buu > SSJ3 Gotenks, Mystic Gohan > Super Buu.

Goku = Kid Buu

So therefore, Super Buu > Kid Buu

-edit-

I also just remembered that in one of those fact books Gohan is described as "the strongest unfused fighter". Anyway, I'm still not sure about Super Buu compared to Kid Buu.

[smiley]

He (Super Buu) is stronger in the manga, but weaker in the anime. That's pretty much the consensus.

[Savage68]

So I made a comment on a youtube video about SSJ3 Goku versus Mystic Gohan (sorry about the fan term, I don't really know how else to describe him )

His name is Ultimate Gohan.

[SSJ2bardock]

So I made a comment on a youtube video about SSJ3 Goku versus Mystic Gohan (sorry about the fan term, I don't really know how else to describe him )

His name is Ultimate Gohan.

I know that's what he was called in the Tenkaichi games, but is that the legitimate term used for this form?

[Great Saiyaman I]

So I made a comment on a youtube video about SSJ3 Goku versus Mystic Gohan (sorry about the fan term, I don't really know how else to describe him )

His name is Ultimate Gohan.

That is actually a FUNi term, I'm relatively sure he doesn't have an official name.

Anyway, yes, Super Boo is more powerful, as he has Fat Boo absorbed and later absorbs more people. Pure Boo is Boo in his most simple, destructive form. The reason Pure Boo seems more powerful is simply because he was fighting weaker people, as Goku and Vegeta aren't as strong as Gohan and Gotenks. Pure Boo is also wilder.

[CatouttaHell]

Pure Boo is a good deal stronger than Evil Boo IMO. Though I agree that Ultimate Gohan and SSjin 3 Gotenks >>> SSjin 3 Goku.

There's strong evidence that Pure Boo was a much bigger threat than he was thought of originally. The Daizenshuu as well as statements from Goku and Vegeta after he's defeated imply he's not beatable (without fusion) as it stands and they have to train to be able to beat him one-on-one.

Pure Boo = Oob > SSjin 3 Goku (End of Z) > SSjin 3 Vegeta (End of Z) >> Ultimate Gohan >>> Evil Boo IMO

[Fox666]

So I made a comment on a youtube video about SSJ3 Goku versus Mystic Gohan (sorry about the fan term, I don't really know how else to describe him )

His name is Ultimate Gohan.

Gohan asked how he can transform in that "Ultimate Warrior", thus is also the name choosen by the guidebooks. The same goes for Super Saiyan Grade II and III, as Goku casually called these forms "grades".

[SSJ2bardock]

Anyway, yes, Super Boo is more powerful, as he has Fat Boo absorbed and later absorbs more people. Pure Boo is Boo in his most simple, destructive form. The reason Pure Boo seems more powerful is simply because he was fighting weaker people, as Goku and Vegeta aren't as strong as Gohan and Gotenks. Pure Boo is also wilder.

This is the impression that I've always had. The smaller Buu was more destructive and evil, so people mistake that for being more powerful for some reason, or at least that's what I think.

[Savage68]

I know that's what he was called in the Tenkaichi games, but is that the legitimate term used for this form?

Sure, but so is "Mystic Gohan." I was just thinking that if you were worried about using a fan term, a non-fan term would be preferable whether it was from a video game or not. "Strongest Warrior Gohan" is rather lengthy, but you could go for that, too.

[Fox666]

Pure Boo is a good deal stronger than Evil Boo IMO. Though I agree that Ultimate Gohan and SSjin 3 Gotenks >>> SSjin 3 Goku.

Keep in mind that Evil Boo was still stronger than Gotenks even as a Super Saiyan 3. He only recognized someone stronger than himself when Gohan powered-up in the Kaioshin realm.

[SSJ2bardock]

On a side note, I haven't been here in a loooong time so I didn't know they were doing this now, but thanks to whoever changed the title of this thread. It's a great deal better than what I had before

(I'm assuming it was Kaboom...?)

[VegettoEX]

Even if it's the in-universe section, I want some assumed credit every once in a while .

(Not really sad )

[CatouttaHell]

Keep in mind that Evil Boo was still stronger than Gotenks even as a Super Saiyan 3. He only recognized someone stronger than himself when Gohan powered-up in the Kaioshin realm.

Gotenks had a noticeable lead on him though.

They hit each other with the exact same attack and Gotenks was pissed off but not pushed back at all, while Boo went crashing down when Gotenks retaliated with the same attack.

That and Trunks saying Gohan is a bit stronger than Gotenks suggests he's in between Boo and Gohan IMO.

It's possible that he didn't include Gotenks because he was a temporary fusion and he was beatable to him despite the power gap. While Gohan was permanent and had way too big of a lead on him.

Or it's possible he was right and he just wasn't putting forth his full effort against Gotenks I suppose. He was after all apparently just stalling as part of his big plan to absorb Gotenks later on to fight Gohan.

[hleV]

Gotenks, although stronger, is an idiot, that's why Evil Boo wasn't scared of him. He was scared of Gohan, who may not have been as stupid as Gotenks once he shows up.

[dbgtFO]

Anyway, yes, Super Boo is more powerful, as he has Fat Boo absorbed and later absorbs more people. Pure Boo is Boo in his most simple, destructive form. The reason Pure Boo seems more powerful is simply because he was fighting weaker people, as Goku and Vegeta aren't as strong as Gohan and Gotenks. Pure Boo is also wilder.

This is the impression that I've always had. The smaller Buu was more destructive and evil, so people mistake that for being more powerful for some reason, or at least that's what I think.

The main reason seems to be because of the anime, where Pure Buu is stated as the strongest form of Buu. Since most people are more familiar with the anime than the manga, they just go with that.

[SSJ2bardock]

Anyway, yes, Super Boo is more powerful, as he has Fat Boo absorbed and later absorbs more people. Pure Boo is Boo in his most simple, destructive form. The reason Pure Boo seems more powerful is simply because he was fighting weaker people, as Goku and Vegeta aren't as strong as Gohan and Gotenks. Pure Boo is also wilder.

This is the impression that I've always had. The smaller Buu was more destructive and evil, so people mistake that for being more powerful for some reason, or at least that's what I think.

The main reason seems to be because of the anime, where Pure Buu is stated as the strongest form of Buu. Since most people are more familiar with the anime than the manga, they just go with that.

Do you know if it only says that in the dub or in the original as well?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Do you know if it only says that in the dub or in the original as well?

Its in the original as well, though I think the dub may say it a time or two more than the Japanese version. (I can't be sure though, I haven't watched the dub in years.)

[Kaboom]

Here's the answer in as simple and factual a form as you can get it.

Manga: Majority of evidence saying Evil Boo is stronger.
Anime: Statement(s) of Pure Boo being strongest in spite of said evidence.

The original manga is slightly vague, but strongly paints Evil Boo as being stronger, and in general the strongest form of Boo, especially when he absorbs people. Then the anime retains all the same strong evidence for Evil Boo being on top... then at the last minute makes things extra confusing by flat-out saying that the smaller Pure Boo is the strongest, in an effort to make Goku look good.



EDIT: As for what that evidence is, most of it comes from Goku's self-comparisons to each form of Majin Boo. The Evil Boo, whom SSj3 Gotenks matched and Gohan thrashed, is an enemy whom Goku refuses to even go up against, insisting in no uncertain terms that Boo is stronger than either himself or Vegeta and will kill them unless they fuse. Yet he then has no problem fighting Pure Boo one-on-one in an even battle, and he and everyone else believe that he can wipe Boo out for good if he simply builds up enough Ki for a big attack. Something which is never contradicted or retracted, and even the later guidebooks maintain his ability to do.

Furthermore, after absorbing Gotenks, Boo labels himself as "the strongest Boo ever." Unless he's suffering from some wicked amnesia and knows nothing about his past self (which we know isn't true from when he soon after tried to prevent Vegeta from causing him to revert), this flies directly against the anime's claim of Pure Boo (the original one) being stronger than "all the other Boos up until now."

[SSJ2bardock]

in an effort to make Goku look good.

^Dragonball in 8 words.

[Darkprince410]

Keep in mind that Evil Boo was still stronger than Gotenks even as a Super Saiyan 3. He only recognized someone stronger than himself when Gohan powered-up in the Kaioshin realm.

Gotenks had a noticeable lead on him though.

They hit each other with the exact same attack and Gotenks was pissed off but not pushed back at all, while Boo went crashing down when Gotenks retaliated with the same attack.

That and Trunks saying Gohan is a bit stronger than Gotenks suggests he's in between Boo and Gohan IMO.

It's possible that he didn't include Gotenks because he was a temporary fusion and he was beatable to him despite the power gap. While Gohan was permanent and had way too big of a lead on him.

Or it's possible he was right and he just wasn't putting forth his full effort against Gotenks I suppose. He was after all apparently just stalling as part of his big plan to absorb Gotenks later on to fight Gohan.

My whole take on the fight, after Buu mentioned that he had sensed Gohan's power was that he was simply just playing around with Gotenks until Gohan's arrival. Though Gotenks did seemingly have an edge against Super Buu towards the end of their fight, it was only because Buu had intended it to be that way.