Strength Comparisons Between Buu Forms

[vegetaslegacy15]

During the Boo saga Goku is afraid of the regular Super Boo and says he can not beat him. Also when Ultimate Gohan is fighting Super Boo w/ Gotenks Goku comes to fuse with Gohan. Now if Goku could beat Super Boo with Gotenks there would have been no use to fuse with Gohan. Plus he would not have been worried about beating Boo when Gohan was abosrbed. Based on that, since Super Boo with Gotenks > normal Super Boo i would think Goku is weaker than Super Boo. Which would make Super Boo stronger than Kid Buu. Also the part in the anime where Goke fights Super Boo and is holding his own is filler and should be disregarded.

Soo in my book Super Veggeto > Super Boo with Gohan > Super Buu with Gotenks > Ultimate Gohan > Super Boo with Piccolo > Super Boo > Kid Buu = Goku > Fat Boo > Evil Boo > Mr. Boo.

[Fox666]

They hit each other with the exact same attack and Gotenks was pissed off but not pushed back at all, while Boo went crashing down when Gotenks retaliated with the same attack.

That and Trunks saying Gohan is a bit stronger than Gotenks suggests he's in between Boo and Gohan IMO.

It's possible that he didn't include Gotenks because he was a temporary fusion and he was beatable to him despite the power gap. While Gohan was permanent and had way too big of a lead on him.

Or it's possible he was right and he just wasn't putting forth his full effort against Gotenks I suppose. He was after all apparently just stalling as part of his big plan to absorb Gotenks later on to fight Gohan.

Gotenks didn't had any significant edge. Right before the fusion timed off, Gotenks managed to deliver a sequence of attacks, however before that each time Gotenks attacked Boo he received an equal counter-attack.

If Gotenks said Gohan was only a little stronger than Gotenks, he can only conclude that the difference beetween Gohan and Evil Boo is even smaller. And there really isn't any reason to think otherwise, since the fight beetween Gohan and Boo was relatively simply.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Actually in the anime, I still believe Chibi Boo to be weaker than Super Boo. When Son is about to turn ssj3 level against him, he says : Majin Boo , you are a dense guy, but your power, speed, and regenerative abilities are all incredible. You are on a whole different level from the Boo's up to now. What I ultimately feel this means is that he was referring to his stamina level which is clearly above all other Boo forms.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I remember that line. Didn't the Narrator say something about Kid Boo being the strongest? Haven't watched the Anime for awhile.

[CatouttaHell]

I remember that line. Didn't the Narrator say something about Kid Boo being the strongest? Haven't watched the Anime for awhile.

The narrator, Goku himself, and Kibitoshin all said Pure Boo is the strongest.

The funny thing is, the first time this was stated was when Pure Boo was still suppressed to SSjin 2 Goku's level, which implies SSjin 2 Goku >= Initial Pure Boo >>> Gohan-Boo.

Both the Boo arc Anime and Movie 13 seem to suffer greatly from a nigh-omnipotent Goku forgetting how powerful he is until the very end.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

I remember that line. Didn't the Narrator say something about Kid Boo being the strongest? Haven't watched the Anime for awhile.

The narrator, Goku himself, and Kibitoshin all said Pure Boo is the strongest.

The funny thing is, the first time this was stated was when Pure Boo was still suppressed to SSjin 2 Goku's level, which implies SSjin 2 Goku >= Initial Pure Boo >>> Gohan-Boo.

Both the Boo arc Anime and Movie 13 seem to suffer greatly from a nigh-omnipotent Goku forgetting how powerful he is until the very end.

Or wouldn't you agree that what they mean by strongest Boo in the anime is that he simply just has a higher stamina level ? That is ultimately my take on it!!! it makes sense to me. Son clearly says that his power speed and regenerative abilities are all incredible and is on a whole "different" level than the other forms which most likely means he has an incredible stamina level that makes his power incredible because he never gets tired like Son did. Plus he is the most dangerous.

[CatouttaHell]

Or wouldn't you agree that what they mean by strongest Boo in the anime is that he simply just has a higher stamina level ? That is ultimately my take on it!!! it makes sense to me. Son clearly says that his power speed and regenerative abilities are all incredible and is on a whole "different" level than the other forms which most likely means he has an incredible stamina level that makes his power incredible because he never gets tired like Son did. Plus he is the most dangerous.

I don't see what stamina has to do with strength. SSjin 2 Goku has much greater stamina than SSjin 3 Goku but that doesn't mean it's his strongest form.

[smiley]

Does that mean Kid Buu is stronger than even Buuhan? How in the world does that make sense?

[Great Saiyaman I]

Does that mean Kid Buu is stronger than even Buuhan? How in the world does that make sense?

Pure Boo is definitely not stronger that Boo with Gohan absorbed, he merely appears that way because he is more violent and wild, and because he's fighting weaker opponents.

[smiley]

Pure Boo is definitely not stronger that Boo with Gohan absorbed, he merely appears that way because he is more violent and wild, and because he's fighting weaker opponents.

But he is said to be the strongest Buu ever, by multiple characters, and even the narrator (I'm talking about the anime here).

Some have suggested that perhaps, these statements only refer to "unfused" Buus. But Kid Buu is the only unfused Buu, so calling him the strongest is a bit redundant.

[CatouttaHell]

Anime-wise Pure Boo is a lot stronger than Gohan-Boo as stated by even the narrator.

IMO when Boo went mad, overpowered Super Vegetto, and ripped the multiverse apart he was tapping into Pure Boo's power, which actually makes sense when you consider the implications of the later Anime filler and Movie 13.

Anime and Movie 13-wise:

Pure Boo > Super Vegetto >=< SSjin 3 Goku > SSjin 2 Goku/Vegeta > Initial Pure Boo > Gohan-Boo > SSjin Goku/Vegeta > Ultimate Gohan

SSjin Goku is shown to be stronger than a fake Ultimate Gohan inside Boo's head in Anime filler, and both Goku and the Daizenshuu say he was as strong as the real thing.

It makes no sense whatsoever, but that is what seems to be implied IMO.

[smiley]

and both Goku and the Daizenshuu say he was as strong as the real thing.

Can you show me where the Daizenshuu says that?

[Fox666]

Super Vegetto >=< SSjin 3 Goku

Which itself is a huge plot-hole since Goku wouldn't be forced to fuse with Vegeta...

[Kaboom]

Super Vegetto >=< SSjin 3 Goku

Which itself is a huge plot-hole since Goku wouldn't be forced to fuse with Vegeta...

... And this, ladies and gentlemen, is a shining example of why the anime's take on these things is usually ignored for these types of discussions. It's for a very good reason.

[Fox666]

and both Goku and the Daizenshuu say he was as strong as the real thing.

Can you show me where the Daizenshuu says that?

I don't see why even take in consideration anything the Daizenshuu or what source it is could possible say about that.

In the manga, when Goku joined the battle against Evil Boo, we saw how useless he was. He was plagging and crying on his Boo. Not to forget he actually transforms in Super Saiyan 3.



Apparently the anime replaced this scene with a filler of Goku actually having a fair fight against Evil Boo. Of course you shouldn't care about such a thing, as much as you will ignore a filler scene of Gohan beating Freeza using 100% of his power of Kuririn injuring Cell.

Fillers, as the name suggests, exists just to inflate the lenght of an anime episode, not to make sense.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Or wouldn't you agree that what they mean by strongest Boo in the anime is that he simply just has a higher stamina level ? That is ultimately my take on it!!! it makes sense to me. Son clearly says that his power speed and regenerative abilities are all incredible and is on a whole "different" level than the other forms which most likely means he has an incredible stamina level that makes his power incredible because he never gets tired like Son did. Plus he is the most dangerous.

I don't see what stamina has to do with strength. SSjin 2 Goku has much greater stamina than SSjin 3 Goku but that doesn't mean it's his strongest form.

Welcome to the world of Dragon Ball my friend!
They obviously could have been referring to stamina level and it's the only solution to this unless fans want to admit that Chibi Boo was holding back his true power untill the Genki Dama. Also I would like to know where the daizenshuu says fake gohan and fake gotenks are as strong as the real thing. Because if that's the case then they were obviously not trying against Goku and Vegeta.

[CatouttaHell]

Can you show me where the Daizenshuu says that?

Illusions made from Buu's memory. Their power is on par with their real counterparts, and even when defeated they immediately revive. When he saw them, Goku realized right away that they were fakes.

From here.

Goku in the Anime said something along the lines of Gohan having the same power as the real thing after losing to him in base slightly, then proceeding to one-shot him in SSjin..

Which itself is a huge plot-hole since Goku wouldn't be forced to fuse with Vegeta...

Yeah it's undeniably a huge plothole.

Movie 13 and the Anime operate on the same convoluted "Goku freaks out and lets everybody fight for him for ages then all of a sudden breaks out his ungodly haxed power and steps up to take care of things himself" logic.

They both seem to operate on mostly the same haxes too. Vegeta saving Gohan and stepping up to fight the guy who beat him in just SSjin. SSjin 2 Goku doing far better than a haxed up SSjin 3 Gotenks who is at least 2x as powerful as Ultimate Gohan, etc.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

That filler scene is easy to figure out. Bootenks was clearly toying with Son Goku and he was only stalling him. He was about to finish him off, but his fusion time expired. Son Goku then says that "Gohan will be able to take care of him now".

[Chou Gohan]

... And this, ladies and gentlemen, is a shining example of why the anime's take on these things is usually ignored for these types of discussions. It's for a very good reason.

It often seems funny how any time there is a glaring mistake in the manga, people get into a desperate rush to make up something to explain it or make sense of it. Yet whenever something looks wrong in the anime the response is, "We ain't gonna make up BS to cover that because it is BS itself just because it's not the manga!" lol People could make up BS to cover those things also if they tried, you know. I once saw some decent BS to even explain Goku's desperation to fuse if he could fight alone saying something like, "It was upon seeing Gohan get absorbed that Goku became desperate to save Gohan and the others, but he would have to force Buu into a corner to get absorbed which ssj3 would not last long enough to guarantee doing, and so he insisted on fusion as his only option." Of course, as proud members of the G.C.S., we'd never want to accept that take on things. But it is an example of how one can make sense of any take on the story they wish once they have fully developed their power of Make-up-any-BS-needed-to-pretend-you-alone-must-be-right!

[Kaboom]

Admittedly there's some confusing stuff in the manga, too. But the anime makes things even worse in cases like this by pulling stuff out from between its cheeks which are blatantly self-contradictory.