Goku vs. Raditz Zenkai

[vegetaslegacy15]

Did Goku gain any sort of Zenkai when the Special Beam Cannon went through him. The reason I am asking is because he did not die right away. But I don't know so please answer.

[jjgp1112]

Yeah, uh...that kinda only works when you've recovered from a wound. And then there's the fact that he got blasted through the chest and all.

[Bussani]

Like jjgp1112 said, Saiyans get a power up when they recover from those wounds. The real question, then, is whether Goku got a power up when Kami took his body to the afterlife and regenerated it for him. I'm sure people here will have different opinions about that.

[vegetaslegacy15]

Like jjgp1112 said, Saiyans get a power up when they recover from those wounds. The real question, then, is whether Goku got a power up when Kami took his body to the afterlife and regenerated it for him. I'm sure people here will have different opinions about that.

Yeah that is what i meant. Sort of. I've heard before that he got one.

[FNF]

Well even if you want to believe that the zenkai might have passed over to Goku in the afterlife, he would still be far weaker than Raditz because Kaio said that Yamcha and co made it to his planet far quicker than Goku did and Yamcha only just beaten a Saibamen who could rival Raditz.

But yeah its all been said above.

[hleV]

Goku's Kamehameha wouldn't necessary be weaker than Raditz. I believe that at the time of the series characters couldn't completely control their ki and that's why they only reached more of their true ki through energy attacks.

[Malek86]

Well even if you want to believe that the zenkai might have passed over to Goku in the afterlife, he would still be far weaker than Raditz because Kaio said that Yamcha and co made it to his planet far quicker than Goku did and Yamcha only just beaten a Saibamen who could rival Raditz.

Maybe Tenshinhan and Piccolo were carrying Jaozi and Yamcha especially because, if not, we would still need to assume that they managed to reach the planet in a sixth of Goku's time even though they had to go at the lowest common denominator speed (Jaozi's, who was apparently not much stronger than Goku during the fight with Radish).

I have seen this problem a few times before though. Remember when the Ginew Force reached Vegeta in no time (even he was surprised at their speed)? It's kinda difficult to think that Guldo was somehow able to keep up with them.

So either they were being carried, or I guess speed is not (entirely) related to power level.

[FNF]

Well even if you want to believe that the zenkai might have passed over to Goku in the afterlife, he would still be far weaker than Raditz because Kaio said that Yamcha and co made it to his planet far quicker than Goku did and Yamcha only just beaten a Saibamen who could rival Raditz.

Maybe Tenshinhan and Piccolo were carrying Jaozi and Yamcha especially because, if not, we would still need to assume that they managed to reach the planet in a sixth of Goku's time even though they had to go at the lowest common denominator speed (Jaozi's, who was apparently not much stronger than Goku during the fight with Radish).

I have seen this problem a few times before though. Remember when the Ginew Force reached Vegeta in no time (even he was surprised at their speed)? It's kinda difficult to think that Guldo was somehow able to keep up with them.

So either they were being carried, or I guess speed is not (entirely) related to power level.

I don't consider speed increasing with power. HOWEVER, I do think that 'power level' readings on scouters take into account speed and power ie Guldo might have been extremely weak physically and strength wise but his speed could be what was carrying his pl. Burter is an other example. He seems to be extremely fast but he could lack in the brute strength department but he could have the same pl as someone who was stronger but a lot slower.

So basically what I'm trying to say is Chaotzu is weak but at the same time just as fast as the others.

[Fox666]

I don't consider speed increasing with power. HOWEVER, I do think that 'power level' readings on scouters take into account speed and power ie Guldo might have been extremely weak physically and strength wise but his speed could be what was carrying his pl. Burter is an other example. He seems to be extremely fast but he could lack in the brute strength department but he could have the same pl as someone who was stronger but a lot slower.

So basically what I'm trying to say is Chaotzu is weak but at the same time just as fast as the others.

That's not how the battle power is measured. The battle power represents someone's Ki.

However, the Ki increase all other attributes. This was explained when Goku used the Kaio-ken, which increases both his strength and speed.

Strength or speed are attributes of the body. Some characters are extremely fast (i.e. Goku) and they will surpass the speed of someone with the same Ki (battle power) as them.

[Bussani]

However, the Ki increase all other attributes. This was explained when Goku used the Kaio-ken, which increases both his strength and speed.

Vegeta also mentions it at one point on Namek.

Chapter: 249 (DBZ 55), 7.4
Kyui: :Wh…when did you…?!”
Vegeta: “When my battle power rises, it means that my speed raises too.”

I compare it to having two cars with the exact same engine, but with completely different bodies; one car is sleek, aerodynamic and light, while the other is a heavy, air-resisting box. Same power, but one is obviously going to be faster. Of course, I'm not saying it all comes down to aerodynamics and weight in Dragon Ball, but there are factors other than raw power to consider, including what you're most skilled at using that power for.

[broly is god]

Ok guys don't think I'm a dumb ass for this. I've watched the showfor 11 years. But uhhhhh I sont know what a zenkai is. I probably know what it is I just don't know the name for it. Plz let me know

[Kaboom]

It's a fan-made term for the power boosts that Saiyans receive after recovering from serious injury. Emphasis on the "fan-made" part. It's not an official term for the idea.

[Fox666]

Like Kaboom said, it is a term conceived by fans (so don't worry to not knowing it, it's better you don't). A more appropriate way of calling it is "saiyan near-death power-up".

[broly is god]

Like Kaboom said, it is a term conceived by fans (so don't worry to not knowing it, it's better you don't). A more appropriate way of calling it is "saiyan near-death power-up".

Ohhhh, that's what I thought. But okay. Oh, like what happened to Broly after he lost to Goku.

[FNF]

Like Kaboom said, it is a term conceived by fans (so don't worry to not knowing it, it's better you don't). A more appropriate way of calling it is "saiyan near-death power-up".

Ohhhh, that's what I thought. But okay. Oh, like what happened to Broly after he lost to Goku.

Yes.

On a serious note however please stop fanboying Broly to the extreme where he is stronger than Vegetto. It is an eye sore. Facts are facts after all.

[broly is god]

Ok dude I can fucking fanboy anybody I fucking want because I live in a free country. And I know Vegetto is stronger its just a damn joke. Wat I mean by that is I like broly. He's cool so put that. And vegetto isn't the strongest either SS4 GOGETA is ok not fuckboy vegetto so suck on that. And the zenkai broly was also a joke to kaboom so u dnt have to get in my bussines.

[FNF]

Ok dude I can fucking fanboy anybody I fucking want because I live in a free country. And I know Vegetto is stronger its just a damn joke. Wat I mean by that is I like broly. He's cool so put that. And vegetto isn't the strongest either SS4 GOGETA is ok not fuckboy vegetto so suck on that. And the zenkai broly was also a joke to kaboom so u dnt have to get in my bussines.

No problem dude. As long as it was meant as a joke i'm cool.

[Ichigo Storm]

I'd like to try bumping this topic before starting one of my own since my question deals with a similar subject.

Did Goku get a Zenkai for recovering from his heart attack?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I'd like to try bumping this topic before starting one of my own since my question deals with a similar subject.

Did Goku get a Zenkai for recovering from his heart attack?

Short answer: it doesn't matter. Even if he did gain a near death boost after beating the virus, it obviously wasn't of any importance since he decided on using the RoSaT before the upcoming battles.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Well, after recovering from the virus, he mentioned that if Vegeta couldn't do it, then neither could he. So apparently, whether or not he recieved a Zenkai, he's still around Vegeta's level of strength and, therefore, can't defeat the Androids or Cell without training in the RoSaT.

Basically what TheDevilsCorpse said.