Is Vegeta the biggest loser of DBZ?

[Piccolo Daimao]

I honestly wouldn't call Vegeta a loser. For the many battles he's lost, there's many battles he won. He absolutely demolished Goku before Gohan and Kuririn arrived, and even then, he survived the Genki-Dama and was only defeated when Gohan became Ozaru and subsequently fell on him.

Then he has probably the highest kill count in the Freeza arc, killing Kiwi, Dodoria, Zarbon, Appule, a Namekian village, and the entire Ginyu Force bar Ginyu (although Goku knocked them unconscious first), and then some minor Freeza henchmen if you count the anime.

And later, he defeats #19 and second-form Cell without breaking a sweat.

Vegeta's one of the strongest main characters in the series, is ahead of Goku and Gohan for large portions of the series, wins many of his battles and only loses to exceptionally strong warriors that are mainly villains. That means more to me than a couple of losses. Piccolo probably loses about the same amount of matches as Vegeta, and he's not a loser.

The only time I can really call Vegeta a full-on loser is in the Boo arc. He trains his ass off more than Goku, yet Goku still manages to stay ahead of him due to the advantages of afterlife training, which, in turn, gave him SSj3. Then Gohan, who he also trained his ass off to surpass since the aforementioned cheap-rage-power-upper became stronger than him at the Cell Games, gets another cheap-ass potential-awakening spell. And then finally, he has to admit that, no matter how much he trains, he can never surpass Goku, before getting another ass-whooping by Boo.

[CatouttaHell]

Chiaotzu, Yamcha, and Kuririn are all most non-canon and irrelevant in DBZ,

I don't think you know what canon means.

[B]

I don't recall Vegeta ever needing to lose weight.

[kemuri07]

Vegeta is a big loser, and a crybaby about it, but he isn't the biggest loser.

It's not even Yamcha.

It's not even Chaotzu.

it's Mr. Satan - how big of a loser do you have to be that you claim the victory of a young boy as your own, ride the coat tails of it and go to ridiculous levels to keep up the image all for the attention?

Being a loser doesn't necessarily mean one loses fights (although Mr. Satan often does), it means one is a truly pathetic person.

Mr. Satan has his redeeming qualities, of course and does BECOME a better person - but he still earns this "honor".

To be fair, he did directly save the world from Buu. So I don't think he can be considered "the biggest loser"

[KiddoCabbusses]

To make yet another half-oke about it...

I dunno, I think Piccolo's giant enlargement thing was very similar in size to Vegeta's Ozaru state, so it's tough to tell which is bigger, and thus, a -literal- bigger loser.

Bio-Broly also grew really huge just before he died. The artwork made him look even larger tha an Ozaru, but this is a DBZ movie we're talking about...

Any one got any charts for this?

[Savage68]

Chaozu didn't win anything before Adventures in Saiyanland, and Yamcha only really won that one fight against Suke-kun. ...And even that he did with help from Kuririn.

Likewise, Suke-kun had held from Baba. Yamcha would've won that fight unaided had she not started singing.

[ending sun]

While that list is true, I can't say other characters are much better off. Vegeta just happens to stand out because of his attitude.

True, reminds me of a quote I read on a forum once, something like: "Vegeta stays losing, but who besides Goku (and occasionally Gohan) is really winning?"

Yamcha is the biggest loser. Krillin had a decent amount of purpose until the Buu arc, and Chiaotzu at least had that noble, if futile moment where he sacrificed himself to take out Nappa.

[Vhanos]

I guess the humans are biggest losers. Because they didn't have the accomplishments that Vegeta had.

[Puto]

Chaozu is never shown winning a single fight in the manga.

Jiaozi is never shown winning a single fight in the entirety of the anime including filler and movies, let alone just the manga. He never wins ANYTHING.

[Fox666]

If that is the case neither John Smith nor Norman ever won a fight.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Chaozu is never shown winning a single fight in the manga.

Jiaozi is never shown winning a single fight in the entirety of the anime including filler and movies, let alone just the manga. He never wins ANYTHING.

Debunked. He defeated Gurd on Kaio-sama's planet.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Yamcha is the biggest loser. Krillin had a decent amount of purpose until the Buu arc, and Chiaotzu at least had that noble, if futile moment where he sacrificed himself to take out Nappa.

No, Chaozu is a bigger loser than Yamcha. "Noble" moments don't mean shit in terms of your performance in battles. We've seen Yamcha win a battle, while we haven't for Chaozu.

And Kuririn doesn't even come into the equation, because he's probably the most prominent Earthling and has a fair amount of wins.

[Michsi]

Yeah, but can you really compare Chaozu to Vegeta? DB barely ever focused on Chaozu and it never made it seem like the little guy had any high goals like being the strongest or defeating X, Y or Z. Vegeta on the other hand....


Yamcha I can unsterstand. He does boast in the beginning, but sadly never really gets a chance to back it up and the fact that he loses constantly makes him look pretty bad.
The boasting stops completely after he comes back tough, even becomes pretty humble regarding his abbilities.

[perucho1990]

Yamcha, because he was killed by a Saibaiman.

[Ashura]

You guys are missing the obvious answer.



Truly it was Gogeta who was the biggest loser in DBZ.

[AnzuMazaki]

Being one of Yamcha's Very FEW fans, I don't think he's the biggest loser and neither are Vegeta and Chaozu (Vegeta especially because he managed to go SSJ1 and be Goku's longest rvial)

There are far worse losers out there than ANY or the Z-warriors, like most of the tenkaichi budokai preliminary entrants, most of Frieza's goons (Zarbon, Ginyu force, Dodoria aside) and many more minor characters.

[AnzuMazaki]

Being one of Yamcha's VERY few fans, I don't think he's the biggest loser and neither are Vegeta and Chaozu (Vegeta especially because he managed to go SSJ1 and be Goku's longest rvial)

There are far worse losers out there than ANY or the Z-warriors, like most of the tenkaichi budokai preliminary entrants, most of Frieza's goons ( except Zarbon, Ginyu force, Dodoria etc) and many more minor characters.

EDIT: I am so sorry for the double-post, please delete the first one T_T

[Squall]

If you are talking about who is the biggest loser of the Saiyans, I would probably say Raditz because he died very soon after he appears in the series. If you take DB into consideration, Yamcha helped Goku and the others many times. Kuririn isn't a loser either because he is the strongest of all the humans. I would probably say that Kaioshin is probably one of the biggest losers because he didn't contribute much in the fight against Buu.

[Olympian]

Chaozu is never shown winning a single fight in the manga.

We do know he got wins, though. Otherwise he would have never reached to the final 8 in the 22nd Bodukai. He was pretty close to winning against Kuririn, and in fact, at least to me looked certainly the most powerful of the two. He lost due to plot stupidity. Literally.

In the 23rd Bodukai he was sacrified to make way for Cyborg Tao to go against Ten.

Jiaozi is never shown winning a single fight in the entirety of the anime including filler and movies, let alone just the manga. He never wins ANYTHING.

With Filler we see him winning the rounds prior to the final 8 in of the Bodukai. We also see him face and win against the toad in King Kai`s planet. If you count the first Dragonball movies, you see more of him fighting.

We can`t all have forgotten the humans plus Piccolo standing to Turtles until Gokuh recovered, can we?

Yamcha, because he was killed by a Saibaiman.

That got nothing to do with an inability of winning a fight. There was context there. And he won that fight, cleanly. As much as Ten who also let his opponent live.

Vegeta is a big loser, and a crybaby about it, but he isn't the biggest loser.

It's not even Yamcha.

It's not even Chaotzu.

it's Mr. Satan - how big of a loser do you have to be that you claim the victory of a young boy as your own, ride the coat tails of it and go to ridiculous levels to keep up the image all for the attention?

Being a loser doesn't necessarily mean one loses fights (although Mr. Satan often does), it means one is a truly pathetic person.".

I have to agree with this. Yamucha and Chiatzu, as well as Ten and Kuririn don`t win battles on they`r own past the pre-Saiyan era, but that is more of a testament on how Saiyan centric the whole Manga became and how power-wise they could not keep in. These guys still fought. They still wanted to help. They still had the heart in the right place. We even got an indication from Ten, that Chiatzu wanted to come along and meet the androids, he just wasen`t powerful enough (i don`t recall if it was Ten making that decision for him, though. Wasen`t the first time Ten tried to leep Chiatzu away from harm`s way, whether he had training or not - Saiyan Saga anyone?).

The biggest loser is Mr Satan. The guy rides on everyone`s back and toes to keep his image alive and kicking. Does he have good attributes? Yes, but then again, so do the others. The difference is, they don`t try to screw everyone else for they`r own publicity.

To be fair, he did directly save the world from Buu. So I don't think he can be considered "the biggest loser"

Every single one of the mentioned characters have redeeming qualities. Mr Satan just got a lot less. And his bad qualities are also bigger in comparasion.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Being one of Yamcha's VERY few fans, I don't think he's the biggest loser and neither are Vegeta and Chaozu (Vegeta especially because he managed to go SSJ1 and be Goku's longest rvial)

There are far worse losers out there than ANY or the Z-warriors, like most of the tenkaichi budokai preliminary entrants, most of Freeza's goons ( except Zarbon, Ginyu force, Dodoria etc) and many more minor characters.

I'm a fan of Yamcha too.

But while you do make the point of the Tenka'ichi Budokai preliminary entrants, Freeza's minor goons and other fodder, those characters aren't really important or prominent to the overall series. They're basically just nameless, faceless characters who we'll never see again. Yamcha, Vegeta and Chaozu, however, have names, have faces and are important and prominent to the overall series.

I agree that Vegeta isn't a loser, and I've already explained why in my previous post. But, sadly, Yamcha and Chaozu are, because we've only seen the former win one fight and the latter none. Perhaps not the biggest losers, but still losers (battle-wise) nonetheless.