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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by MarcFBR » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:06 am

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MarcFBR wrote:I mean Star Wars alone... you can complain about changes made, but each and every remaster done has just been amazing (and Blu-ray next month won't be the last... they are already working on the next remaster/tweaking for theatrical rereleases.)
they are ?

Star Wars in 3d

One movie a year for six years re-released theatrically starting in 2012.

In fact, as I recall, it was made official that Phantom Menace was officially done a few days ago.

They announced it a year ago and bring it up once in awhile since they announced the BD release to make sure people are aware it'll be released theatrically in case they'd rather wait.
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Post by bkev » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:30 am

Excuse me? Star Wars remaster amazing? The '93 Definitive Collection has DVNR smearing, resulting in "ghosting"; the '97 SE was beautiful. But the 2004 DVDs? Crushed blacks, video glitches, bizarre lightsabers missing their white cores etc... maybe I've been hanging out at OT.com too long, but the crushed blacks are a pretty big deal. It's one of the very things we criticized the Orange Bricks for. However, it's worth noting that it looks like they tried to fix some of the 2004 issues - but it's still derived from the same subpar 1080p transfer did in 2004.

Anyway, my opinion on this is it can only be good. Perhaps it won't be the Dragon Box, and I would be OK with that - but anything this remaster turns out will be better than the Orange Brick fiasco.
[quote="Brakus"]For all the flack that FUNimation gets on this forum for their quote about DBZ, there's some modicum of truth to it: a 9-year-old is born every day. Or in some cases, "reborn". DBZ may be a kids' show, but it's been so close to so many hearts all over Japan, America, and quite possibly, even the world.[/quote]

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Post by MarcFBR » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:35 am

Let's go step by step....
bkev wrote:Excuse me? Star Wars remaster amazing? The '93 Definitive Collection has DVNR smearing, resulting in "ghosting";
For 1993 it looked amazing. I'm talking about back THEN, not looking at it now.
bkev wrote:the '97 SE was beautiful.
Yes, yes it was.
bkev wrote:But the 2004 DVDs? Crushed blacks, video glitches, bizarre lightsabers missing their white cores etc... maybe I've been hanging out at OT.com too long, but the crushed blacks are a pretty big deal.
Honestly... you have. OT guys are the only people who trashed the video on the 2004 disks. They look fantastic. A few minor flaws, but they look awesome. I assume if I pull out my disks now they won't look as awesome as they did at the time, but they were awesome for then.

And to be clear, I'm talking about the remastering job on the filmstock. I'm not talking about things like screwed up recoloring jobs on lightsabers or the odd off 'glitch' (which I've seen some people talk about, I honestly haven't seen them during actual viewings of the DVDs.) I'm purely talking about the job done to the filmstock.

bkev wrote:It's one of the very things we criticized the Orange Bricks for.
Orange Bricks were a combination of things. If the biggest problems was a bit of crush, I doubt there would have been much in the way of complaints.

bkev wrote:However, it's worth noting that it looks like they tried to fix some of the 2004 issues - but it's still derived from the same subpar 1080p transfer did in 2004.
Mind telling me where you've seen the '1080p' transfer from 2004? Since as far as I know the only ways it's been seen are as- 480p DVDs and 720p/1080i highly compressed HDTV copies no one has actually 'seen' these supposedly subpar masters. The few times Lucasfilm has done exhibitions of elements from that master everyone has largely said it looks brilliant. The only '1080p' copies I'm even 'aware' of are highly compressed 1080i HDTV recordings that have been deinterlaced to 1080p bootlegs. That isn't the 1080p transfer, that's taking something that has been compressed, deinterlacing it, and compressing it AGAIN (since those encodes are always AVC despite the HDTV compression almost always being mpg2.)

You can't really say it's subpar if you haven't seen it, and honestly have no idea what it looks like. Unless you do somehow have a legitimate 1080p copy, which seems unlikely...

bkev wrote:Anyway, my opinion on this is it can only be good. Perhaps it won't be the Dragon Box, and I would be OK with that - but anything this remaster turns out will be better than the Orange Brick fiasco.

So after your relatively detailed post about issues with Star Wars, you are effectively saying this remaster will be good, despite having no proper clips or examples to look at? Despite disagreeing with your points I was quite pleased with the depth and thought you gave in your post up until here.


As for OT again. Don't get me wrong, I'm as anal a sci-fi/comic/etc geek/nerd/etc as you can find (ask anyone in the chatroom on my ability to discuss comics, Star Trek, Star Wars, or DVD/BD stuff in general.) But sometimes the OT guys look for problems to fix. And the community isn't quite what I remember it to be in the old days. Looking over the thread about the BD now, it's a bit less appealing than I remember it being years ago. Lots of trash talk and just overall negativity towards the release before anyone has actually seen it. To an extent that it makes any negativity about DBZ on BD look like minor ripples.
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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by bkev » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:08 am

I don't wish to derail this further so I'll stop here and concede a few points. You've always seemed like an articulate, in-the-know person, and I'll gladly back down when proven wrong. For instance, I take back what I said about the '93 release since you bring up that it needs to be put in perspective considering the time the remastering was done. Also, you're definitely right about not having seen a true version in HD. I'm just confused as to why the 2004 DVDs are so dark compared to even the more recent trailers of the blu-ray footage... does compression really effect the colors that much?

Ugh, I had this long PM written out and I realized it wouldn't have proved anything due to my lack of articulation skills... oh well.

on-topic: I suppose I should reword myself from above. I should have said that I hope this will be better than the orange bricks, and I'll remain optimistic until proven wrong.
[quote="Brakus"]For all the flack that FUNimation gets on this forum for their quote about DBZ, there's some modicum of truth to it: a 9-year-old is born every day. Or in some cases, "reborn". DBZ may be a kids' show, but it's been so close to so many hearts all over Japan, America, and quite possibly, even the world.[/quote]

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Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:10 pm

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BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:The sad thing is, there really is no way to market a second remastering process without admitting the original run was inferior, either by design (Which is was) or by virtue of the fact that their doing a second cut in any case.
Not true at all.

Plenty of fantastic films have been remastered more than once...

Standards have changed, as has the quality that can be given to the consumer. When many older remasters were done it was done with the knowledge that best case scenario was DVD or highly compressed HDTV.
I realize now that that statement was speaking more broadly than I had thought. I was not referring to the process of multiple remasters in general, so much as for this franchise, which your reference to classic movies only makes easier to highlight.

Using the example of Star Wars, Return of the Jedi is approaching 30 years old (It was 1983, correct?), and the series has maintained its popularity and profitability long enough to merit multiple releases across multiple video formats- nothing wrong with this, the movies are still loved and profitable, there's a certainly a videophile charm in seeing special effects and puppetry brilliant thirty years ago seriously reworked to be worthy of new technology (On top of the usual "They were filmed at a higher res than 1080p" factor). The difference is that Star Wars, to my knowledge, spaced out its releases reasonably well. We got the Special Editions in 1997, again in 2004, we're getting the Blu-Ray in 2011. Good distance between releases, as it implies both that Lucasfilm knew better than to simply drop a straight 1080p version of the movies around the launch of the Playstation 3, and that thought and time would be and is being given to the presentation of the movies.

Dragonball Z, by contrast, has had four releases in the past five years, and unlike Star Wars, it isn't a property that merits Blu-Ray releases for the massive improvement of its visual quality, unlike most older movies rereleased, only for their profitability. After all, if most of us here are satisfied with the Dragon Boxes, than that renders three consecutive remasters/modifications next to worthless, only aggravated by the age and production of the show and their all being released in quick succession. I recall VegettoEX's Kai review bringing up that at times he was reminded that the show was never meant to be viewed in High Definition, and sentiment I often share. Granted, I expect Funimation's release to change my mind for the better, as it will lack Kai's color corrections that only reminded me how old the show was rather than enhance it.

Then we have the issue of audience; the DBoxes satisfy the Daizex crowd, the Season Sets did it for many others, and Kai's got the new dub, which has no doubt satisfied some dubbies somewhere. Sure, there were folks explicitly waiting for Blu-Rays or those who will buy anything with DBZ on it, but rational thought has to catch up at some point. I'm not in either category, which would be why I'm bringing this up in spite of the fact it can be hand waved away with "Casual fans will buy it again because its DBZ".
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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by MarcFBR » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:49 pm

BlazingFiddlesticks wrote: I realize now that that statement was speaking more broadly than I had thought. I was not referring to the process of multiple remasters in general, so much as for this franchise, which your reference to classic movies only makes easier to highlight.

MANY THINGS

Then we have the issue of audience; the DBoxes satisfy the Daizex crowd, the Season Sets did it for many others, and Kai's got the new dub, which has no doubt satisfied some dubbies somewhere. Sure, there were folks explicitly waiting for Blu-Rays or those who will buy anything with DBZ on it, but rational thought has to catch up at some point. I'm not in either category, which would be why I'm bringing this up in spite of the fact it can be hand waved away with "Casual fans will buy it again because its DBZ".
DBZ and Star Wars have both been rereleased many times. Me and bkev didn't bring up every rerelease of Star Wars because it wasn't relevant to what we were saying. If you include the upcoming BDs, the original trilogy has had 4 releases in 7 years (the original Star Wars had SEVEN LD releases, not even counting trilogy packs.)

Star Wars was meant as an example of how things may be remastered multiple times, but since you recanted that part of your comment it isn't needed as a counter anymore. It's not necessarily an equivalent comparison if you go into more detail because the franchises are inherently different in to many ways to list.

As for DBZ never being meant to be aired in high definition. Absolutely true. It was never meant to be viewed on DVD either, but that doesn't stop us.
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Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:00 pm

At this point I think I'm arguing what one person sees as reasonable versus what's actually happening, nowhere to go from there, point conceded. Already brought up profitability over necessity, and even that I expect Funi's Blu-Ray to be better than Kai, which validates the line.
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Is the Cover out yet?

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BluezaBladeNZ wrote:Yes it is:

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Post by Kendamu » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:25 am

I know it's not absolutely brilliant or anything, but I really don't see what's so horrible about it. Am I just bad at being a nerd?




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Post by Puto » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:46 am

The season sets didn't fail. They were a huge success. Sure, they sucked, but they were still a success regardless.
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Post by TheGreatness25 » Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:11 am

That cover looks like the DBZ season sets meet Kai.

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Post by mikezilla2 » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:15 am

with that orange trim you'd have to wonder if this is a new remaster at all or if there just using the same video source a 2nd time round ? anyone have sabits twitter ? or any new info ?

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Post by TheGreatness25 » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:51 am

I really don't think that the orange trim is the hint that they're using the same masters. If they were, they'd probably just use the same covers as the Season Sets.

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Post by .:PoetikaL:. » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:29 am

It's not bad like some people make it out to be. Yes it has a hint of similarity to the Orange Bricks, but I'm digging the art. But I do agree with everyone else with getting rid of the huge Goku dubbed quote and "Doragon Boru Zetto" and then we have a great looking box art. Let me see if I can do some manipulation and get rid of that stuff. Give me a few. :)
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Post by TonyTheTiger » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:33 am

Kendamu wrote:I know it's not absolutely brilliant or anything, but I really don't see what's so horrible about it.
It's just the orange. Everything is fine except that. When you're dominant colors are blue, white, and black, the orange clashes horribly. I'm no fashionista by any stretch but it literally does not match. It's not even the same orange as Goku's gi which might have justified it more.

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Post by PuppetDoctor » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:37 am

I think part of the problem is that the blue from the Blu-ray banner clashes with the orange side bar. If the banner wasn't there clashing then the orange banner wouldn't look as bad. I just wonder why Funimation wanted to bring back that orange sidebar which will remind people of the orange bricks.

The only reason I can think of is that it is to help the casual buyer who may think that this is the Blu-ray version of the orange bricks. However, why would Funimation want this when this is (Blu-ray sets) a whole new transfer. But the casual buyer probably won't know this is a whole new transfer.

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Post by .:PoetikaL:. » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:20 am

Alright, some simple things were changed. No overhauling done.

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I took out out the quote, and the "Doragon Boru Zetto", and removed the original Dragon Ball Z logo with one that didn't have the excess black shadow. Nothing too much or major. I would rather they did this in their design.
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