Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Sun-Wukong]

It was fantasy with light science fiction elements in the very beginning, leaving pretty much everything explainable by the use of the Dragon Balls. Once we go into space and see all of these different races speaking Japanese, though...

It basically is just fantasy, there is no science in Dragon Ball, and when there is it doesn't apply to our universe. All the characters are magical including the saiyans, you can't explain the Dragon Ball universe through any twisted scientific reasoning, all the species are just different products of some magical origin.

I'm pretty sure not applying to our universe is a prerequisite for science fiction, so things like capsules and hover-cars and what have you totally count. Also, what the hell makes Saiya-jins magic? Any difference between them and humans can be explained by the fact that they aren't humans (or Earthlings or however you want to put it).

[Nex Carnifex]

Yeah because there is a biological way to explain a race of flying, spirit energy throwing aliens that look exactly like humans but can turn into giant monkeys and make their hair turn golden. You tell me they make sense in a sci-fi theoretical biological kinda way. Heaven, Hell, the Kais (Gods), and all the humanoid aliens in Dragon Ball don't make sense with a sci-fi back drop, only a mystical one. Why else would aliens have human sexual organs? Because the Dragon Ball universe is not a science oriented backdrop, its mysticism, that's why there are gods with cars and heaven is a planet etc.

[MarcFBR]

OTHER STUFF!

Heaven, Hell, the Kais (Gods), and all the humanoid aliens in Dragon Ball don't make sense with a sci-fi back drop, only a mystical one. Why else would aliens have human sexual organs? Because the Dragon Ball universe is not a science oriented backdrop, its mysticism, that's why there are gods with cars and heaven is a planet etc.

Your argument almost made sense until this part.

Almost every scifi universe has 'other' species with sexual organs that are similar enough for procreation.

Not to mention it's not like Toriyama drew medically detailed/accurate crotches. It's basically two swoops. I'm not sure what you can infer from swoop swoop.

[Nex Carnifex]

OTHER STUFF!

Heaven, Hell, the Kais (Gods), and all the humanoid aliens in Dragon Ball don't make sense with a sci-fi back drop, only a mystical one. Why else would aliens have human sexual organs? Because the Dragon Ball universe is not a science oriented backdrop, its mysticism, that's why there are gods with cars and heaven is a planet etc.

Your argument almost made sense until this part.

Almost every scifi universe has 'other' species with sexual organs that are similar enough for procreation.

Not to mention it's not like Toriyama drew medically detailed/accurate crotches. It's basically two swoops. I'm not sure what you can infer from swoop swoop.

A cat and a human can't have sex, so why does it make sense for a human and an alien to have sex unless there is some mystical backdrop governing the nature of the 2 species for them to be so similar? Evolution certainly doesn't justify it, nor does it justify aliens having 2 eyes and a nose just like a human. Star Trek may have green woman, but since it has no mysticism involved in it it is destined to remain retarded to all extents of logic. Dragon Ball on the other hand requires mysticism in pretty much every aspect.

Pretty sure those swoops were meant to be penises, just really not detailed ones since it's not hentai.

[MarcFBR]

A cat and a human can't have sex, so why does it make sense for a human and an alien to have sex unless there is some mystical backdrop governing the nature of the 2 species for them to be so similar? Evolution certainly doesn't justify it, nor does it justify aliens having 2 eyes and a nose just like a human. Star Trek may have green woman, but since it has no mysticism involved in it it is destined to remain retarded to all extents of logic. Dragon Ball on the other hand requires mysticism in pretty much every aspect.

You're arguing Star Trek is retarded in elements of logic but DB isn't? DB... the same franchise that randomly changes rules?

You might want to look up cross breeding. Different species can breed with each other. And even if they can't, they can still do the nasty.

Pick up a biology book sometime, you'd learn something.

[TonyTheTiger]

A cat and a human can't have sex.

I have to say, that was not on my list of expected things to read when I checked up on the new Multiverse page.

[Bussani]

A cat and a human can't have sex, so why does it make sense for a human and an alien to have sex unless there is some mystical backdrop governing the nature of the 2 species for them to be so similar? Evolution certainly doesn't justify it, nor does it justify aliens having 2 eyes and a nose just like a human.

It's unlikely that two races on different worlds would evolve to be extremely similar, but other than the chance being very low, there's nothing technically forbidding it. It's possible, just not probable.

Star Trek may have green woman, but since it has no mysticism involved in it it is destined to remain retarded to all extents of logic.

All the races in Star Trek have a common ancestry.[1]

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

A cat and a human can't have sex, so why does it make sense for a human and an alien to have sex unless there is some mystical backdrop governing the nature of the 2 species for them to be so similar? Evolution certainly doesn't justify it, nor does it justify aliens having 2 eyes and a nose just like a human. Star Trek may have green woman, but since it has no mysticism involved in it it is destined to remain retarded to all extents of logic. Dragon Ball on the other hand requires mysticism.

The Saiyans are humanoid who possess unique characteristics and powers. If they look just like the humans, then they must also possess the sexual organs similar to the human beings. Therefore they are compatible with the Eartlings. No mysticism required.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Okay, nice page, the art though isn't the best, but it's acceptable.

[Cipher]

On the topic of conversation for the last two posts:

Does everything in Dragon Ball have a fantasy/mystical explanation? No.

Can anything in Dragon Ball actually be explained with anything even vaguely resembling actual science? Hell no, and almost everything in even its most "sci-fi"-heavy portions flies directly in the face of physics, geology, biology and most of the time, logic and common sense.

It's a fantasy world with sci-fi trappings.

[TrunksTrevelyan0064]

There should be an official document titled "Akira Toriyama logic" that explains all the goofs and quirks of the DB universe.

I can just see it now. "All the animal-people killed themselves while our heroes were playing around on planet Namek. Except Mr King Dog. Because he is Mr King Dog."

[Nex Carnifex]

On the topic of conversation for the last two posts:

Does everything in Dragon Ball have a fantasy/mystical explanation? No.

Can anything in Dragon Ball actually be explained with anything even vaguely resembling actual science? Hell no, and almost everything in even its most "sci-fi"-heavy portions flies directly in the face of physics, geology, biology and most of the time, logic and common sense.

It's a fantasy world with sci-fi trappings.

Agreed, but if you were to try to explain were all the humanoid races came from in Dragon Ball, which it was never explained, then to use scientific explanations would be impossible, the only other thing is a mystical explanation.

[Nex Carnifex]

A cat and a human can't have sex, so why does it make sense for a human and an alien to have sex unless there is some mystical backdrop governing the nature of the 2 species for them to be so similar? Evolution certainly doesn't justify it, nor does it justify aliens having 2 eyes and a nose just like a human. Star Trek may have green woman, but since it has no mysticism involved in it it is destined to remain retarded to all extents of logic. Dragon Ball on the other hand requires mysticism in pretty much every aspect.

You're arguing Star Trek is retarded in elements of logic but DB isn't? DB... the same franchise that randomly changes rules?

You might want to look up cross breeding. Different species can breed with each other. And even if they can't, they can still do the nasty.

Pick up a biology book sometime, you'd learn something.

Yeah but they aren't fucking from different planets, they are all related somehow. Dragon Ball has magic and deities and mysticism, Star Trek doesn't, so Dragon Ball can justify it's scientific retardation.

[Saimaroimaru]

Why does it matter, your trying to over detail a manga known for not being detail oriented and a author who really doesn't care or just doesn't remember anymore about all that stuff. If I want detail heavy fiction that can also go into real world science I would never pick dragon ball at all.

[Nex Carnifex]

Whether or not Mr. Toriyama went into detail or not doesn't change the fact the Dragon Ball universe's backdrop is ultimately mystical.

[Bussani]

Yeah but they aren't fucking from different planets, they are all related somehow.

Like I said, so are all the bipedal races in Star Trek. There are even real scientific theories that genetic material on Earth came from somewhere else in space originally, finding its way to our planet attached to meteors and whatnot millions of years ago.

if you were to try to explain were all the humanoid races came from in Dragon Ball, which it was never explained, then to use scientific explanations would be impossible, the only other thing is a mystical explanation.

I think it depends on how you define mysticism. Are morphogenetic fields mysticism? They probably don't exist in the manner biochemist Rupert Sheldrake once proposed, but I'm not sure the theory being false automatically makes it something mystical or spiritual. It certainly doesn't make it hard science fiction, of course.

[Nex Carnifex]

Yeah but they aren't fucking from different planets, they are all related somehow.

Like I said, so are all the bipedal races in Star Trek. There are even real scientific theories that genetic material on Earth came from somewhere else in space originally, finding its way to our planet attached to meteors and whatnot millions of years ago.

if you were to try to explain were all the humanoid races came from in Dragon Ball, which it was never explained, then to use scientific explanations would be impossible, the only other thing is a mystical explanation.

I think it depends on how you define mysticism. Are morphogenetic fields mysticism? They probably don't exist in the manner biochemist Rupert Sheldrake once proposed, but I'm not sure the theory being false automatically makes it something mystical or spiritual. It certainly doesn't make it hard science fiction, of course.

Like I said, Star Trek doesn't have magic Dragon Ball does, Dragon Ball is justified with its high fantasy and like someone else said, all humanoid species in Star Trek descended from a common ancestor. Since it was never stated by Mr. Akria Toriyama I guess it's up to you whether it was some ridiculous evolutionary coincidence that produced an alien race identical to humans accept that they spontaneously generate mass to turn into big monkeys and have magic glowing hair sometimes, or it has some magic explanation like the rest of the wacky Dragon Ball universe. I'm gonna go with what actually makes the slightest logical sense.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

On the topic of conversation for the last two posts:

Does everything in Dragon Ball have a fantasy/mystical explanation? No.

Can anything in Dragon Ball actually be explained with anything even vaguely resembling actual science? Hell no, and almost everything in even its most "sci-fi"-heavy portions flies directly in the face of physics, geology, biology and most of the time, logic and common sense.

It's a fantasy world with sci-fi trappings.

Agreed, but if you were to try to explain were all the humanoid races came from in Dragon Ball, which it was never explained, then to use scientific explanations would be impossible, the only other thing is a mystical explanation.

If you agreed, then why are you still continuing on and on about it? It's just a manga, for goodness' sake. It's a science fiction manga with some fantasy that aren't supposed to make sense. Toriyama at first did not think Goku was some kind of a super-powerful alien, but rather a simple human with a tail. Goku and Vegeta are Saiyans which is a humanoid race. They are clearly compatible with the humans. If you ask me what is so illogical, it's a Pokemon game where you can breed different kinds of Pokmon that isn't neccessarily same species.

Going by the Saiyans/humans, same thing applies to Star Wars. There are many humans that are not only from Coruscant, but from all over the galaxy. They are different races, but are still human beings. Both are sci-fi/fantasy series/movies, and there are many things that are unexplainable mysteries in them. It's not something to be taken seriously.

P.S. This is my 1,000th post

[Bussani]

Since it was never stated by Mr. Akria Toriyama I guess it's up to you whether it was some ridiculous evolutionary coincidence that produced an alien race identical to humans accept that they spontaneously generate mass to turn into big monkeys and have magic glowing hair sometimes, or it has some magic explanation like the rest of the wacky Dragon Ball universe.

I never gave my opinion for that either way. I only pointed out that your use of the word "impossible" in several cases seemed exaggerated. It's certainly not impossible to come up with non-mystical explanations for humans and Saiyans being so compatible, though whether these are hard or soft science fiction explanations is another matter. Growing into giant apes and becoming Super Saiyans I'm happy to accept as being to do with ki, which is obviously spiritual/mystical. That said, it's not really hard to come up with soft science fiction explanations for those, either.

[DarkGokuZ]

Pretty funny page. The School teacher is awesome!