The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Hellspawn28]

Ledgic vs. Fat Janemba. Janemba can't transform and who wins? I hope the battle is not too one sided since I have been trying look for a good match for him.

[Kaboom]

This is of course without taking into consideration that the 23rd Tenkaichi was written and drawn before Toriyama even thought of Saiya-jins.

Well, y'never know. Toriyama's said that the 23rd Budokai was when he first established, or foreshadowed at least, that Piccolo and Kami were aliens. When he had them speak in Namekian. It's very possible, nay, likely, that he was already planning it for Goku, too.

Ledgic vs. Fat Janemba. Janemba can't transform and who wins? I hope the battle is not too one sided since I have been trying look for a good match for him.

By GT/Toei "logic," Redgic can win by flicking Janemba with his pinky, because he was actually strong enough to give Goku a hard time, and Goku in GT is like some ultimate god among gods who is now in just his base form stronger than Pure Boo who in the anime was somehow even stronger than Evil Boo with Gohan and Piccolo absorbed.

By normal logic, as cool as he may be Redgic is just a particularly talented and exceptional space-thug, so no way is he ever going to be able to take down some otherworldly, mystical hell-monster who is literally the embodiment of probably centuries' worth of evil.

[In Brightest Day]

I don't know why people keep making these EQUAL POWER LEVELS fights OH YEAH THE ~HUMANS~ ARE IN IT TOO DID I MENTION POWER LEVELS ARE EQUAL and i guess i'll toss in mr hax regen so what

Well, you know what, Rocketman? Maybe I was looking for something a bit more creative than "durr Buu winz". Not that I'm necessarily getting at people for giving a simple response.

Rocketman, the only reason you dislike equal power level fights is because you disagree with the notion that the Humans are skilled fighters (which they obviously are). The only reason you dislike this thread isn't because it has an obvious victor. If that were the case you would have got on me about the fact that I put Gohan, Trunks or Goten in there. Fuck, even Mr. Satan is in this fight. It's because YOU have this weird anti-anything that isn't a Saiyan fixation, or maybe you're just a kill joy to anyone who would rather not talk about Saiyan multipliers. I don't know. I could honestly care less if you don't like the fact that I make threads where the Humans actually win fights, Rocketman. I will continue to do equal power level fights because thats what I enjoy doing and without equal power level fights it completely restricts basically what you can do in a versus topic. Honestly, I doubt I'd post here at all without the freedom to do that. I'm sure you will continue with responses which are slightly biased in favour of whoever isn't, in anyway shape or form, a human character. And I'll basically be telling you you're wrong every time.

The funny thing is, the Earthlings would lose to the Saiya-jins even at equal Battle Powers.

The humans would lose to Goku and arguably Vegeta. Thats about it.

Don't forget Vegeta fought evenly with Son Goku, who is undoubtedly the most skilled fighter in the entire series. I don't see any of the four Earthlings being able to do that.

Uh, Tenshinhan did fight evenly with Goku.

Even three years later at the 23rd Budokai Goku was still impressed with Tien & Kuririn, even though he was far more powerful at that stage. Yamcha, despite getting probably his most embarrasing ass kicking throughout the series, was still given high praise from Kami.

Saying "I don't think the humans would be able to do that" is a pretty baseless comment. Just like me saying "well, I think they could" is a baseless comment. I don't doubt that Goku would beat all of them in individual battles, but theirs absolutely nothing that suggests it'd be one-sided. Goku himself has stated several times that Tien, Kuririn & Yamcha are great fighters. It was really only when they became irrelvent in DBZ that they stopped getting any praise, because, well, they were irrelevent.

Vegeta tanked a Kaioken x4 Kamehameha and a Spirit Bomb, got back up and could've still killed everybody.

When he was far, far stronger than his opponent. You know that, quit grasping at straws.

Maybe the Kikoho could do it, but at equal power levels the Kikoho would very likely hurt Tenshinhan more than it would Vegeta.

Yeah, I shouldn't even have to explain why this is ridiculous. Vegeta can enjoy being the most durable character in the afterlife once he's been completely vaporised by the same attack that gave Cell trouble. I agree Tien would be in trouble after firing one off though. He'd be very vunerable. The only guy there probably worth shooting a Ki-Ko-Ho at would be Buu.

Yeah, Saiyans just plain have physically tougher and more durable bodies than humans, which at even levels of Ki would leave them with still having an advantage in battle. That's all there is to it.

I don't see how being slightly more durable is going to give Gohan, Trunks, Goten etc. any significant advantage over dudes who have years of fighting experience and more advances techniques. It's delaying the inevitable, which is the Saiyans getting their asses handed to them. With the Kienzan at Krillin's disposal, probably literally.

[Rocketman]

Well, you know what, Rocketman? Maybe I was looking for something a bit more creative than "durr Buu winz". Not that I'm necessarily getting at people for giving a simple response.

Rocketman, the only reason you dislike equal power level fights is because you disagree with the notion that the Humans are skilled fighters (which they obviously are).

Nope. I fully acknowledge that, as seen in this earlier post in this thread: http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... 76#p471976

I just think it's hilarious that EPL fights are "I wanna make a fight the humans can win! *throws in Majin fucking Buu*".

Vegeta tanked a Kaioken x4 Kamehameha and a Spirit Bomb, got back up and could've still killed everybody.

When he was far, far stronger than his opponent. You know that, quit grasping at straws.

Goku x4 was 32,000. Vegeta was 18,000. And the Spirit Bomb's power is independent of Goku's/Krillin's.

once he's been completely vaporised by the same attack that gave Cell trouble.

You mean the attack that washed over Nappa like a cool summer's beeze? I'm not saying Vegeta wouldn't be hurt by it, I'm saying Tien would be hurt worse.

[In Brightest Day]

Nope. I fully acknowledge that, as seen in this earlier post in this thread: http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... 76#p471976

I just think it's hilarious that EPL fights are "I wanna make a fight the humans can win! *throws in Majin fucking Buu*".

My mistake then.

I'm not really making fights that I want the Earthlings to win. I just want different variables, which often aren't given by noobs like Goten, Trunks etc.

You mean the attack that washed over Nappa like a cool summer's beeze?

After Tenshinhan had his arm cut off (impressive feat) and nearly his entire life force was gone? I personally don't see Vegeta or anyone besides maybe Buu being able to tank it.

[CatouttaHell]

Ledgic vs. Fat Janemba. Janemba can't transform and who wins? I hope the battle is not too one sided since I have been trying look for a good match for him.

Redjic defeats Janemba like Cell defeated Mr. Satan.

Redjic =< GT Base Goku >>> DBZverse IMO

You mean the attack that washed over Nappa like a cool summer's beeze? I'm not saying Vegeta wouldn't be hurt by it, I'm saying Tenshinhan would be hurt worse.

Tenshinhan was half-dead, and even if he was at full power it was still 1,830 against 3,000+

Nappa is one of the most durable characters in the series as well. As durable as Vegeta is, he's just not touching Nappa. He bounced back from attacks from a guy who is 2x stronger than him.

[In Brightest Day]

Nappa is one of the most durable characters in the series as well. As durable as Vegeta is, he's just not touching Nappa. He bounced back from attacks from a guy who is 2x stronger than him.

I'd probably agree that Saiyans are a more durable race, but I have no idea how Nappa getting his ass kicked by someone far stronger than him puts him above Vegeta in terms of durability. In that case, Kuririn, Tenshinhan & Yamcha are the most durable characters in the series because they took blows from foes like the Cell Juniors and others. That just doesn't make sense to me.

[p123]

Freeza is by far the most durable. I mean he got whipped by a Ssj, cut in half, ki blasted to hell , had a planet explode on his face , layed in the vacuum of space and still lived. Durability is overrated though, it's all plot dependent and shouldn't be looked at too too seriously...

Is Ledgic that strong? I thought General Rilldo's computers suggested that
Base Goku ( Sigma Force ) > Ssj Goku ( Ledgic )

That might be a dub error though...

[Kaboom]

Is Ledgic that strong? I thought General Rilldo's computers suggested that
Base Goku ( Sigma Force ) > Ssj Goku ( Ledgic )

If I remember correctly, that particular underestimation of Goku's power was due to Gill purposely feeding incomplete information to Rild.

[p123]

Oh really? I only watched GT once , and it was the dub. It was absolutely dreadful but I endured through it.

I'm trying to go through the entire series right now. Including movies at the appropriate time as well.

Going to be a long time before I'm done, but in one day I banged out almost all of the Emperor Pilaf Saga .

[CatouttaHell]

Oh really? I only watched GT once , and it was the dub. It was absolutely dreadful but I endured through it.

My condolences. The GT dub is horrible even when compared to the dub for the rest of the series.

I'd probably agree that Saiyans are a more durable race, but I have no idea how Nappa getting his ass kicked by someone far stronger than him puts him above Vegeta in terms of durability. In that case, Kuririn, Tenshinhan & Yamcha are the most durable characters in the series because they took blows from foes like the Cell Juniors and others. That just doesn't make sense to me.

Goku even said he's really tough after he just got back up after being kicked into a mountain.

I don't think he'd be so surprised since he is a Saiya-jin himself and would expect Nappa to be at least as durable as he is probably.

Also the Cell Juniors were playing around with everybody while Son was furious at Nappa and likely wasn't holding back much, if at all.

Nappa tanked a Kikoho that caught him off guard, blows from a guy more than 2x as powerful as he is, Chaozu's self destruction, etc all like they were nothing. I just don't see Vegeta being able to do that honestly.

[Lucas Abner]

I know Vegeto would win... But did not think Vegeto would win quietly Gogeta.

In some forums, put Gogeta the height of Gotenk SS3.

Do you think Vegeto would win of Gogeta with relative ease?

[p123]

Also, characters hardly go all out from the beginning. Goku could have just been testing the waters, and not really trying to kill the guy. Rough him up a bit, test him out, but he doesn't neccessarily have to be going all out.

[CatouttaHell]

I know Vegeto would win... But did not think Vegeto would win quietly Gogeta.

In some forums, put Gogeta the height of Gotenk SS3.

Do you think Vegeto would win of Gogeta with relative ease?

Gogeta would get ROFLSTOMPED by Vegetto. Base Vegetto could easily be hundreds or even millions of times stronger than SSjin 3 Gogeta.

The Super Exciting Guide says Vegetto is Goku's BP times Vegeta's BP. There's just no way Gogeta could be anywhere near that.

Also Super Vegetto was shown to be far above Gohan-Boo, who is over twice as powerful as SSjin 3 Gotenks.

Goten and Trunks were on par with Gohan even before the RoSaT. Since they probably doubled or tripled their powers at the very least in the RoSaT they could be on par or even above Goku and Vegeta in the RoSaT.

That kind of power is complete trash to Vegetto.

[Lucas Abner]

...

Gogeta SSJ vs Gotenks SSJ3

Broly SSJL movie 10 vs Perfect Cell

[CatouttaHell]

1. Gotenks hits Gogeta so hard he defuses. The only way Gogeta could possibly hope to beat SSjin 3 Gotenks is if he also went SSjin 3.

2. Broly godstomps. He doesn't even need LSSjin to do that IMO.

[Lucas Abner]

the Broli of movie 8 in SSJL vs Perfect Cell, I mean


or Super perfect Cell vs Vegeta SSJ2 , Broly LSSJ movie 10 vs Super Perfect Cell.

[dbgtFO]

I know Vegeto would win... But did not think Vegeto would win quietly Gogeta.

In some forums, put Gogeta the height of Gotenk SS3.

Do you think Vegeto would win of Gogeta with relative ease?

Well I think Vegetto is far superior to Gogeta. I have it like this:

Gohan-Buu < SSJ 3 Gogeta < Super Vegetto.

So Vegetto obviously wins.

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Gogeta SSJ vs Gotenks SSJ3

Broly SSJL movie 10 vs Perfect Cell

the Broli of movie 8 in SSJL vs Perfect Cell, I mean

1. Being limited to Super Saiyan, Gogeta ends up far inferior to his own son and will therefore be beaten rather easily.
2. I think Broli is significantly stronger than Cell, so he should be able to take this.

or Super perfect Cell vs Vegeta SSJ2 , Broly LSSJ movie 10 vs Super Perfect Cell.

1. Vegeta beats Cell down rather easily and finishes it off with a big ki blast, perhaps a succesfull Final Flash?
2. I see two possible scenarios for movie 10, in both cases Broli ends up superior to Cell, so Broli would take this.

[p123]

21st Budokai Fights

Bruce Lee vs Wolf vs Lion Fang vs Lang Chang

Giran vs Kuririn

I rather liked the anime filler fights of Goku vs Ox King and Giran vs Yamcha, I find them very likely. I think Giran is probably somewhere in between Yamcha and Kuririn...

[In Brightest Day]

Gyūmaō


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Spopovich