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[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Tanooki Kuribo]

...3) Why was some of the skin "redish/pinkish" looking? Was it really because of age? Why didn't they fix it? Was it for preservation of seeing the aged film?...

I don't know if it was age or just how they were stored or what. I only noticed it in the later episodes. Some episodes are better than others though. Here are screen shots from "We Were Angels" from various episodes of the DragonBox. You can see how some episodes look slightly different than others. I'm thinking this is because each film reel has one episode and each reel has it's own damage.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/65846913@N ... otostream/

Despite that, it's still the best looking and most complete DBZ DVD set you can get.

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

3): Why was some of the skin "redish/pinkish" looking?

Here's what Wikipedia had to say about it...

Over a period of many decades, the pigments in color 16mm film slowly degrade and become transparent. The pigments degrade at different rates with magenta being the longest-lasting. This inevitably results in color film that now appears to be reddish, with few other colors.

EDIT: Yay! 400th post!

[kei17]

1): They scanned the film reels in SD resolution and removed scratches and dust. No advanced colour correction was done (technically there was no way to do it at the time).
2): The same reason as 3)
3): Read jpdbzrulz4sure's post.
4:) Definitely yes.
5:) I don't like it because it clearly shows the degradation of the master films.
6:) You can roughly know it by getting real cels used for the show.


*edit: Ultimately, every colour film can be like this with age.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

Also, I feel like I should mention this before someone thinks this just happens with the DragonBox. This happens with a lot of shows. I just took out my Captain N set and took a screen shot from two different episodes. You can see the color differences and even some damage.

[TonyTheTiger]

The Captain N thing is a different monster entirely. That set was produced using broadcast Betamax tapes, I believe. Scores of things can cause problems in that case.

[Pokewhiz7]

The Captain N thing is a different monster entirely. That set was produced using broadcast Betamax tapes, I believe. Scores of things can cause problems in that case.

Meaning it was Betamax DVD?

[Tanooki Kuribo]

The Captain N thing is a different monster entirely. That set was produced using broadcast Betamax tapes, I believe. Scores of things can cause problems in that case.

Ah...

Well, old shows will have damage regardless, I guess is what I was trying to say. I didn't want it to seem like I was just picking on the DragonBox.

[KiddoCabbusses]

The Captain N thing is a different monster entirely. That set was produced using broadcast Betamax tapes, I believe. Scores of things can cause problems in that case.

Meaning it was Betamax DVD?

I believe that's what he means, yes.

(If you think that's bad, I've heard the '87 TMNT DVDs contain VHS masters put on DVD, complete with VHS-tape ads and bumpers. Consideirng how TMNT was my childhood, I'd be heavily disappointed if it couldn't get the kind of remastering Dragon Ball has got, particularly a high-definition transfer. Now, which episodes did Toei animate besides the first season again? I wonder if those are in their cold storage...)

[bkev]

I have heard the VHS claim, but I didn't know it had ads... oh and also I think that those are the masters LionsGate were given.

[TonyTheTiger]

The Captain N thing is a different monster entirely. That set was produced using broadcast Betamax tapes, I believe. Scores of things can cause problems in that case.

Meaning it was Betamax DVD?

Yes. Can't blame them, really. Shout Factory, particularly Brian Ward, the set's producer (who also did the Sonic SatAM set), had very little to work with. DiC, while pretty ubiquitous in the 80s/90s as far as cartoons go, wasn't exactly putting their cels in cold storage, especially for simple cash ins like Captain N and Sonic The Hedgehog. The impression I got from Brian Ward (who was deeply involved in the community for advice) was essentially that he was given the Betamax tapes and access to a few boxes in storage that had whatever assets were left over.

These studios are not Disney. They don't treat everything they produce like the Ark of the Covenant. Their goal was to get shit on TV and maybe home video. Future proofing their material was probably not even on the list, let alone at the top of it. It's just something we have to come to terms with. We're lucky half the shit exists in any form at all. I would never have expected a Captain N box set, period.

So even if the Dragon Boxes aren't pristine reproductions of what Toei produced 20 years ago, we're lucky they look as good as they do. Hell, we're probably lucky FUNimation's masters look as good as they do. It could have been much, much worse.

[bkev]

For reference, the last thread to address the dragonbox coloring issue.

[jnj13]

Out of curiosity, can anybody say if the Daizenshuu - TV Animation 1&2 colors are accurate to the original broadcast colors or whatever? I'd like to compare them to the DragonBox and what we will have from the upcoming Blu-ray release.

[DanielGClapp]

@AnimeMaakuo I just now noticed that the screenshot of your avatar seems to have a reddish tint to it. Where did you get it?

[jjgp1112]

It's pretty obvious the colors are faded just from looking at the white colors.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[AnimeMaakuo]

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[jjgp1112]

The Dragon box film source was over ten years old at the time it was used. Toei didn't put much effort into storing the film properly, and thus, the colors have become old and faded. The reds usually "survive" the most. While the Dragon Box colors are accurate to the aged source material, by no means are the colors the same as they looked when they originally aired. Kei17's Fuji TV tapes apparently looked almost identical to the Cel scans that are often used on DB products, such as books. Those are likely the best representation of the colors. Also, I see no difference in the colors of the two Gohan shots.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[jjgp1112]

Yeah.. 20 year old tapes based on a source that's already been copied at least twice... That's not very accurate. Plus, there's screenshots in the Daizenshuu's of Dragon Box quality. Lol.

Huh? Nevermind that the Daizenshuus came out before the DBox was released, but...huh?

And before you say anything else, just a look at one measly Dragon Box screencap and look closely at the white and black colors. Do those look natural to you? Hell, check these side-by-side comparisons done by Metalwario after tinkering with the colors:





Didn't think so. The Dragon Box colors clearly look aged.