The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kaboom]

I think you guys missed the point.

For the sake of this match-up, we'll say it was Mister Boo, given the context, whom Goku compared Rild to, and assume they're operating at somewhat equal power levels

Let's also assume that even if Rild transforms, his power level stays the same, so the match remains more about who's got the better freaky abilities than anything else.

It's an "equal PLs" match, and I specifically mentioned that first part because it doesn't matter which form of Boo you think Goku was referring to. The match-up itself assumes it was Mister Boo, because having a childish but smart and resourceful opponent for Rild is a more interesting fight than it being a mindless and relentless monster.

Are they fighting on Earth or M2?

Huh, I didn't think of that... first one then the other, I guess. That would most likely make a big difference, wouldn't it?

[Senzu_Bean]

The official numbers for Dragon Ball are garbage and are irrelevant. Toriyama and his staff didn't put even 1/100th as much as thought as obsessed BP fanatics like p123 and I have into this.

I mean, really?! This is getting to a point beyond ridiculous. Do you people realize you don't actually own Dragonball? It's such a ridiculous claim I don't even know if you guys are talking seriously anymore. By such logic if I spend more time than Mr. Toriyama and his staff spent in drawing Super Saiyan Goku and I draw him in a pink dress with hippie hair does that mean the official Super Saiyan Goku is garbage and irrelevant?

Sorry for such rant but there is a point in which enough is enough. I remember where Daizenshuu Ex was quite above MFG in ridiculous stances but now it looks like Neoseeker? I don't know about anybody else but I don't come in here that often anymore because stuff like this.

[VegettoEX]

The official numbers for Dragon Ball are garbage and are irrelevant. Toriyama and his staff didn't put even 1/100th as much as thought as obsessed BP fanatics like p123 and I have into this.

I mean, really?! This is getting to a point beyond ridiculous. Do you people realize you don't actually own Dragonball? It's such a ridiculous claim I don't even know if you guys are talking seriously anymore. By such logic if I spend more time than Mr. Toriyama and his staff spent in drawing Super Saiyan Goku and I draw him in a pink dress with hippie hair does that mean the official Super Saiyan Goku is garbage and irrelevant?

Sorry for such rant but there is a point in which enough is enough. I remember where Daizenshuu Ex was quite above MFG in ridiculous stances but now it looks like Neoseeker? I don't know about anybody else but I don't come in here that often anymore because stuff like this.

So you're going to respond to a comment you don't like that devalues your opinion by completely ragging on two other communities out of nowhere? That's... not particularly upstanding of you. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Actually, the more I read the comments, the less I actually understand your complaint. I personally care so little about battle powers that it's almost incapable of being put into words, but I certainly have no issue with the self-proclaimed obsessed fans taking it to their own extreme levels of care and love if that's how they enjoy the franchise.

What is your complaint? That people are taking it to these extreme levels at all? Or the fact that they place their own "facts" and values above those of the author, himself? The way you respond and quote, I can't tell for sure.

Is there a polite and clear way you can respond to your fellow fans about what your concerns are?

[Lucas Abner]

Gohan SSJ GT vs General Rilldo 1° state

Super Perfect Cell vs Gohan SSJ2 Cell arc


and I had talked and nobody answered;

Broly LSSJ movie 8 vs Hatchyack

Broly LSSJ movie 10 vs Goku SSJ2 Boo arc

[Piccolo Daimao]

SSj2 Gohan (Cell arc) vs. Super Perfect Cell

Gohan, with one broken arm and having apparently lost half his power, was still able to destroy Cell with a full-power Kamehameha. Cell may be able to put up a fight, but Gohan would eventually overpower him.

SSj2 Goku (Boo arc) vs. LSSj Broli (Movie #10)

While Broli crushed SSj2 Gohan, who wasn't as strong as the SSj2 Gohan from the Cell Games, who could gain power from rage, Goku has surpassed SSj2 Gohan at the Cell Games after seven years of training in the afterlife. Therefore, he would defeat Broli with little trouble.

[Kaboom]

Gohan SSJ GT vs General Rilldo 1° state

I'll not pretend to make any sense of GT's power scaling... There's no way to tell for sure just what the heck the deal is supposed to be with Gohan's power in GT. I seem to remember him not doing very well against Rild during the Super 17 arc, but I can't even remember which form either of them were using.

Super Perfect Cell vs Gohan SSJ2 Cell arc

Without an extra "rage boost" for Gohan (which I believe he pulled back out to finish the Kamehameha clash), the two strike me as being very evenly-matched. Could go either way, and Cell might even win just due to his regeneration.

Broly LSSJ movie 8 vs Hatchyack

I'm not familiar enough with Hatchyack to make a call on this one... I know there was some comment in the OVA of "he may be even stronger than Broly!" but given that Hatchyack apparently has a "super" form of his own and what-not...

Broly LSSJ movie 10 vs Goku SSJ2 Boo arc

Agreed with Piccolo Daimao. Broly had an edge over SSj2 Gohan, but at this point in the series it doesn't mean much. Goku is generously stronger and able to take Broly out. SSj2 Vegeta would be a much closer fight.

[dbgtFO]

Huh, I didn't think of that... first one then the other, I guess. That would most likely make a big difference, wouldn't it?

Do we actually ever see, Rild fight on any other planet than M2?

Though, if the fight took place on M2, I'm pretty sure Rild would have an overwhelming advantage, thus he'd win.

[goku the krump dancer]

Janemba vs Kid Boo..................... In a math test. Who gets the highest score?

[CatouttaHell]

Do we actually ever see, Rild fight on any other planet than M2?

Though, if the fight took place on M2, I'm pretty sure Rild would have an overwhelming advantage, thus he'd win.

He fights on Earth in the Super #17 arc.

I mean, really?! This is getting to a point beyond ridiculous. Do you people realize you don't actually own Dragonball? It's such a ridiculous claim I don't even know if you guys are talking seriously anymore. By such logic if I spend more time than Mr. Toriyama and his staff spent in drawing Super Saiyan Goku and I draw him in a pink dress with hippie hair does that mean the official Super Saiyan Goku is garbage and irrelevant?

Sorry for such rant but there is a point in which enough is enough. I remember where Daizenshuu Ex was quite above MFG in ridiculous stances but now it looks like Neoseeker? I don't know about anybody else but I don't come in here that often anymore because stuff like this.

The Beginning of Z numbers are simply wrong. I've tried countless times to make them work but there's just way too many problems.

I doubt Toriyama cared enough to put more thought into them than "well this guy is some random amount stronger than this guy so his number is bigger."

We're talking about a guy who forgot who Tao Pai Pai was and who gave Vegeta a BP of 20,000 in the manga after he defeated a guy around 30,000. I seriously doubt he even remembered half of the series up to that point, or took any of it into account when he made those numbers up.

[Fox666]

I've tried countless times to make them work but there's just way too many problems.

Can you please stop talking like you was some kind of authority? Nobody cares about how much time you spent on it, you are still just a random guy on the Internet.

and who gave Vegeta a BP of 20,000 in the manga after he defeated a guy around 30,000.

That looks more like a typo rather than a plot-hole for me. Note how Toriyama emphasizes that Vegeta was "close to 20,000", he seems to be getting in too much detail to commit such a mistake.

Probably the 30,000 listed in Daizenshuu is not even an attempt to correct such mistake, they simply looked over Toriyama's sketches or notes and noticed it was writen 30,000 instead of 20,000 and realized it was a typo.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Janemba vs Kid Boo..................... In a math test. Who gets the highest score?

Janemba. No real reason, other than the fact that Kid Boo was accidentally created for the purpose of taking over the universe and whatnot, while Janemba was born from the Psychedelic Oni, who may have at least some mathematical skills.

But they're both completely retarded.

[Godo]

Janemba vs Kid Boo..................... In a math test. Who gets the highest score?

In the case of Fat Janemba vs. Kid Boo, the latter seems to have slightly more concentration than the former. I don't know why but that's what I believe. So Kid Boo would win.
In the case of the red Janemba vs. Kid Boo, it would be a tie I think. Both seem just as much distracted and uncontrolled as eachother.

[p123]

Well SSJ Goku and Transformed Rilld are a perfect match, so Gohan is definitely going to lose.

Base Gohan is apparently above Kid Buu as well , jesus GT is insane.

[Fox666]

In the case of Fat Janemba vs. Kid Boo, the latter seems to have slightly more concentration than the former. I don't know why but that's what I believe. So Kid Boo would win.
In the case of the red Janemba vs. Kid Boo, it would be a tie I think. Both seem just as much distracted and uncontrolled as eachother

Pure Boo doesn't even have the ability to speech, I really doubt he knows what math is. The fat Majin Boo on the other hand absorbed the two Kaioshins, so he may be able to perform math like he can talk. I wonder, would he count on his finger like Chaozu or show extraordinary math skills?

[Godo]

Pure Boo doesn't even have the ability to speech, I really doubt he knows what math is. The fat Majin Boo on the other hand absorbed the two Kaioshins, so he may be able to perform math like he can talk. I wonder, would he count on his finger like Chaozu or show extraordinary math skills?

This guy is blind, yet he can play videogames. Speech does not affect one's intelligence, although deafness can impair one's cognitive functions. I also believe that Kid Buu actually spoke when he first arrived. Wasn't it "hate" that he yelled out so loud that Vegeta and Goku had to hold their ears?
Although it makes sense that the fat Majin Buu would be able to use the Kaioshin's intelligence, much of what we see with him implies quite the opposite. ^_~

[Fox666]

I meant that Pure Boo lacks any kind of common knowledge, thus he would be unable to perform math.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Who do you think is the strongest: King Vegeta or Bardock? I think Bardock, because he had a battle power of 10.000, and Vegeta said that he had surpassed his father (King Vegeta) since he was a kid, and we know Vegeta's was 18.000 in Saiyan arc, so knowing Vegeta, there is no way he would advance so less if King Vegeta was more than 10.000. So, what do you guys think?

[p123]

Bardock is approaching 10,000, I got him at 9,500, and the King at 12,000 with the Prince at 12,500.

[Fox666]

Vegeta mentioned he surpassed his father while he was still a kid, however in the special he is at 4,000. It should be noted that at the time he was still 4 years old, thus we could expect that he surpassed his father when he was 10, for example.

I may be wrong, but wasn't it mentioned that Bardock was getting close to the King or something in the special? Of course when Toriyama wrote the manga he may have in mind that the king battle power was 5,000.

[p123]

Fox I completely agree. Logically based on everything, I think the King being around 5k makes more sense. Unfortunately, we are shoved the TOEI bull down our throat, and have accept a low classed warrior, hitting elite levels, heck super elite levels. Which, according to Vegeta and Nappa, would be absurd based on their reactions to Goku going from under a thousand to even 5,000 was insane, to 8,000 and there like OMFG.

Bardock getting close to the King is a dub line. Although it should be true.

The Prince should be above the King by now IMO, the Prince is the only one worth showing, and the King gets nothing in the movie, not even a freaking cut scene nothing. Terrible.

But yea, I think the Prince is def the strongest Saiyan by this point, and Bardock is somewhat catching up to them.

I also have the Prince just surpassing the King here.

Bardock 9,500
King 12,000
Vegeta 12,500

I think that's the most reasonable manner to handle that. Personally, I would have liked to see Bardock at reasonable low class warrior levels, perhaps 1,000 or so, and his crew in between 500-1,000 and such.

A 10,000 power level in the Saiyan Race would be celebrated and Bardock would be damn near treated as a god. Everyone would lose their minds, as well as he would draw ire from royalty who would probably take them out.

They just wanted to make Goku's Daddy look like a bad ass, and give him a big ass zenkai, and furthermore, play into the reason why Freeza wanted to get rid of them.