Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Saimaroimaru]

Kami wasn't a fighter either, but was much stronger than other fighters from Earth. But he used his ki/strength for creating the Dragonballs ect.

Yeah, but Kami has fought in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai and also fought Garlick Jr., and maybe Garlick during the old times. He wasn't fighting much, because he couldn't leave he Heavenly Realm whenever he wanted to.

Look at the Namekians, not all of them are fighters yet their non-fighting population is stronger than the non-fighting human population. Some races just have a natural higher level of power than some.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Also, did you see that in the movie, in fact, the visions of Baddack are absolutely of NO USE to him? No really, rewrite the film, without the vision. You see, no difference whatsoever !

Apart from his random "flashforwards" of Goku on Earth which, while they may not have served much importance in the general story, were at least nice to see, considering how they're familiar scenes that we've seen before and utterly baffling to Bardock, who hasn't grasped the fact that he's seeing the future.

Furthermore, there's the significance of Bardock learning that his son, who he previously dismissed due to his low battle power (and also tied in later in the story, being the low-class who even the low-class [Raditz] looked down on), defeats Freeza, allowing him to die peacefully in the knowledge that his son will avenge their race.

Although I do agree with him questioning how the Kanassans could see the future, yet didn't evacuate the planet. It does make more sense for just one guy to have the ability, and it's a kind of nice parallel to Bardock's efforts to save the Saiyans: one guy who can see the future attempts to warn his race of their fate, but they don't believe him and laugh at him, leading to their foretold annihilation.

Maybe they could've worked the visions to be more useful in the story. Perhaps Bardock could have a vague premonition of what he eventually discovers is his comrades' deaths and, on his way to Meat or wherever it is, still feels uneasy about what he just dismissed as a brain injury. Perhaps, if they included Raditz (which I felt was a missed opportunity), they could give Bardock either a premonition of him escaping the genocide, his death by Piccolo, or both. It could even lead to Bardock actually contacting his son (in person or by scouter) and warning him.

You know, this is actually inspiring me to do a Bardock special rewrite of my own.

[Puto]

Although I do agree with him questioning how the Kanassans could see the future, yet didn't evacuate the planet.

Maybe they hadn't mastered space travel yet? I mean, if in real life we could foretell that the Earth was gonna explode, what would happen?

[Scarz]

After Bardock gets his powers I'm half expecting him to fall to the floor and scream "Future!"

[Piccolo Daimao]

Although I do agree with him questioning how the Kanassans could see the future, yet didn't evacuate the planet.

Maybe they hadn't mastered space travel yet? I mean, if in real life we could foretell that the Earth was gonna explode, what would happen?

Yeah, that's true.

Lol at Bardock saying, "Yuck, it was even more flabby than I thought!" Although it sounds somewhat odd for a Saiyan to say that.

[bkev]

Ok, so nothing particularly original yet. I was really hoping for something new...

[TonyTheTiger]

I guess I'm ok with Bardock killing him on the grounds he doesn't believe the story. But this conversation is definitely weirder than the equivalent from the TV special. For one, in the TV special the Kanassian's beligerent attitude led him to essentially launch a suicide attack justifying how he gave Bardock the power and why he got his ass killed. But here, the conversation is much more calm and civil. Bardock isn't taken by surprise or angry. So I'm not sure what would drive the Kanassian to tell Bardock to kill him as a means of transferring the ability. At least not as the first option. He could have just as easily offered it another, less deadly way. Bardock may have declined but it'd be worth a shot so long as you're already mid-conversation.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Is it just me, or Salagir has become too violent in his recent Specials after the comedic U16 Special? The Cell one, was just violent killings, the Bojack one was also violent killings, now in this one, the Kannasian himself sais "I want BLOOD!!!". It was his decision to change the way of Bardock taking his powers. It seems very childish to me, it's like "look guys, it has BLOOD, it's soooo COOL, I want him now to reap his HEART!!! I'm a big kid now, I can watch those things!!!"

[Cipher]

Is it just me, or Salagir has become too violent in his recent Specials after the comedic U16 Special? The Cell one, was just violent killings, the Bojack one was also violent killings, now in this one, the Kannasian himself sais "I want BLOOD!!!". It was his decision to change the way of Bardock taking his powers. It seems very childish to me, it's like "look guys, it has BLOOD, it's soooo COOL, I want him now to reap his HEART!!! I'm a big kid now, I can watch those things!!!"

Multiverse has been that way from the beginning. Cell ripping his own head off with gratuitous blood, Oob losing an arm, etc.

It's all a couple notches above what Toriyama would ever have done, and it's one of my biggest misgivings with the series.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I guess I'm ok with Bardock killing him on the grounds he doesn't believe the story. But this conversation is definitely weirder than the equivalent from the TV special. For one, in the TV special the Kanassian's beligerent attitude led him to essentially launch a suicide attack justifying how he gave Bardock the power and why he got his ass killed. But here, the conversation is much more calm and civil. Bardock isn't taken by surprise or angry. So I'm not sure what would drive the Kanassian to tell Bardock to kill him as a means of transferring the ability. At least not as the first option. He could have just as easily offered it another, less deadly way. Bardock may have declined but it'd be worth a shot so long as you're already mid-conversation.

Maybe that is the only way for the Kanassan to transfer his ability to Bardock. In the original, it was a sharp strike to the back of Bardock's neck. Here, it could be that Bardock needs to take his life force or something via that method to gain his power.

And besides, the Kanassan probably wants to die anyway. The rest of his race is dead, and if Bardock doesn't kill him, then some other Saiyans, Freeza's henchmen or Freeza himself will anyway.

And @DBZGTKOSDH, Bardock putting his fist through the Kanassan doesn't seem too violent to me. At least, nothing that Toriyama wouldn't draw himself.

[Kingdom Heartless]

I wouldn't even rank this a notch above Toriyama in terms of violence... I mean, there was plenty of more violent scenes in the manga.

I mean, you could just as easily say it was unnecessary to show the Artificial Humans almost ripping a guy's head off, or showing the exploding Cell Jrs, or showing that guy's head get exploded by Babidi.

[jjgp1112]

Yeah...I'm going to assume some of you guys have never seen Zarbon's death and Dr. Gero ripping that dude's head off.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yeah...I'm going to assume some of you guys have never seen Zarbon's death and Dr. Gero ripping that dude's head off.

Well, I didn't say that the manga isn't violent, but it never had such continious violence, like in the recent Specials.

EDIT: I saw this pic of U2, I regognise a few of them, but who are all these people?

[AgitoZ]

EDIT: I saw this pic of U2, I regognise a few of them, but who are all these people?

SNIP

They're all a couple of Toriyama's creations and designs.

Top left to right:
-Magus and Chrono from Chrono Trigger
-Hero from Dragon Quest 8 and 6 respectively
-Sun Wukong from Journey to the West

Bottom left to right:
-Poop from Dr. Slump
-Toriyama's self protrait of himself as a robot
-Shu from Blue Dragon
-Arale and Gatchan from Dr. Slump
-Ackman from Go! Go! Ackman
-Z from Neko Majin
-Slime from Dragon Quest series
-Beezlebub from Sand Land
-Suppaman from Dr. Slump

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Thanks a lot!

[Rocketman]

It's a series about people beating the shit out of each other. If anything, the original manga was too nonviolent.

[Kaboom]

Dragon Ball always did have its fair and appropriate share of violence, but it never got gratuitous. I can definitely see what the point regarding DBM is. A lot of the violence, especially in the "specials," are just nothing but "let's watch everyone get violently slaughtered!" and that's all there is to it.

[jjgp1112]

Oh yeah, I definitely agree about the awful ass specials, but the main thing isn't that bad.

[Kingdom Heartless]

Yeah, many of the specials are, but I don't feel this particular panel is worth using to contribute to that argument.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It's not that I don't like violence, I like resonable violence. For example I loved how Nail kills Reacoom in the tournament, but in the Bojack special, Vegeta's Final Flash hits piccolos dead body and then a lot of blood leaks from his body for NO REASON AT ALL. The Cell & Bojack Specials were just "guiz, lets so BLOOD!!!"