The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kaboom]

Yeah, the difficult part about this is that we don't know for sure what the King's battle power was. Bardock we at least have a rough estimate of: "approaching 10,000." All we know for the King is that Vegeta surpassed him as a child a long, LONG time ago, so ol' pappy must have been significantly below 18,000. A lot of people consider him and Bardock equals not just out of coincidence, but also because the dub actually plunked in that line regarding Bardock that he "may surpass the King soon" or something like that.

I could see the King being anywhere in the 5000-10,000 range myself, probably somewhere smack dab in the middle. He'd be stronger than your average Elite like Nappa at 4000, but low enough that the li'l prince has already left him in the dust.

So for the matchup... I'll say Bardock wins.

[Rocketman]

King Vegeta wins because he has the best facial hair.

[Kaboom]

... Hard to argue with that!

[Fox666]

Fox I completely agree. Logically based on everything, I think the King being around 5k makes more sense. Unfortunately, we are shoved the TOEI bull down our throat, and have accept a low classed warrior, hitting elite levels, heck super elite levels. Which, according to Vegeta and Nappa, would be absurd based on their reactions to Goku going from under a thousand to even 5,000 was insane, to 8,000 and there like OMFG.

A saiyan being elite or not is hereditary, perhaps this has something to do with the strength of their family, but it's not their actual strength. So there really isn't nothing wrong with Bardock being strong.

It should be noted that Bardock was only close to 10,000 after he survived a near-death experience, thus his battle power should be lower before that. The guys who healed Bardock actually were impressed by the Scouter reading, perhaps we would get the very same reaction from other saiyans?

[jjgp1112]

King Vegeta wins because he has the best facial hair.

I think we can all agree with this.

Anyway...how about Super Buu vs. Skinny Janemba? Unless it's already been done before...

[Kaboom]

Anyway...how about Super Buu vs. Skinny Janemba? Unless it's already been done before...

For as long as I can remember, I've always considered them to be essentially series-and-movie counterparts to each other (as is the trend with most movie villains), and pretty much identical in raw power. So it'd come down to which of the two has the better freaky abilities.

I'm going to throw out my best guess and say Boo would win, since I don't remember Janemba displaying regeneration abilities on such a haxed level as Boo.

[CatouttaHell]

Evil Boo finger-flicks any form of Janemba. He has no feats whatsoever putting him anywhere near Boo IMO.

Janemba only defeated Goku by catching him off-guard with a mouth blast and then using his sword until Goku collapsed from strain. He's probably just as strong as Goku at best.

Evil Boo on the other hand is powerful enough to put up a fight against SSjin 3 Gotenks until he got serious.

Evil Boo is easily thousands of times stronger than Janemba at least considering Base Gotenks (Post) >>> SSjin Gotenks (Piccolo's Expectations) >>> SSjin Gotenks (Pre) IMO.

[Rocketman]

Base Gotenks (Post) >>> SSjin Gotenks (Piccolo's Expectations) >>> SSjin Gotenks (Pre)

I thought we had a ban on this kind of fake math equation bullshit.

[VegettoEX]

Base Gotenks (Post) >>> SSjin Gotenks (Piccolo's Expectations) >>> SSjin Gotenks (Pre)

I thought we had a ban on this kind of fake math equation bullshit.

Yes, we do ask (and our members agree prior to registration) to actually speak in complete and coherent sentences.

The post you're quoting has more than just that, but I will add (especially since some folks only like to live in this area of the forum, which is fine) that you do need to have something worth saying if you're going to bother posting -- something that consists solely of the above quote would definitely be bordering on unacceptable.

Carry on.

[Kaboom]

It's... not the preferred method of explaining one's viewpoint, no.

[Gaffer Tape]

Technically speaking, it's not fake math equation bullshit. It's a fake math inequality since there's nothing actually being equated to anything else. That's not a defense of it... I'm just saying.

[Fox666]

Evil Boo is easily thousands of times stronger than Janemba at least considering Base Gotenks (Post) >>> SSjin Gotenks (Piccolo's Expectations) >>> SSjin Gotenks (Pre) IMO.

First of all, I must say, I don't recommend following such aberrant conclusions, much less if based on idiosyncratic interpretations of the manga.

Besides, if you really want to account numerically how strong Gotenks is, how exactly is he possible 50 times stronger after training in the RoSaT? Neither Goten or Trunks significantly increased their abilities, or at least not to an extent they can match the likes of Goku and Vegeta.

Even if the metamorian fusion was a literal multiplication of A x B it still would mean that Goten and Trunks got over 7 times stronger in order for Gotenks to be 50 times stronger. And of course any other less extraordinary "formula" for the metamorian fusion would give an exponentially lower result.

Nevertheless, I would recommend to estimate Gotenks evolution after the kids trained in the RoSaT on how much the kids themselves evolved.

[CatouttaHell]

First of all, I must say, I don't recommend following such aberrant conclusions, much less if based on idiosyncratic interpretations of the manga.

Besides, if you really want to account numerically how strong Gotenks is, how exactly is he possible 50 times stronger after training in the RoSaT? Neither Goten or Trunks significantly increased their abilities, or at least not to an extent they can match the likes of Goku and Vegeta.

Even if the metamorian fusion was a literal multiplication of A x B it still would mean that Goten and Trunks got over 7 times stronger in order for Gotenks to be 50 times stronger. And of course any other less extraordinary "formula" for the metamorian fusion would give an exponentially lower result.

Nevertheless, I would recommend to estimate Gotenks evolution after the kids trained in the RoSaT on how much the kids themselves evolved.

I don't see how it's an idiosyncratic interpretation if it's based on something four characters flat-out stated.

Piccolo expects Gotenks to make massive gains in the RoSaT and still doesn't think they can win based on Boo's sensable Ki.

Base Gotenks completely blows Piccolo's expectations out of the water and is implied and stated by Piccolo, Son Goten, Trunks, and Gotenks to be equal to Evil Boo's sensable Ki.

Such gains were never contradicted; all that was contradicted was Base Gotenks >= Evil Boo and that's simply because Boo's sensable power is a lie IMO, which is something that is hinted at many times.

50x stronger after the RoSaT is really low-balling it IMO. If Base Gotenks (Post) was only equal to SSjin Gotenks (Pre) then Piccolo wouldn't be orgasming over their power and thinking they can win.

Piccolo: “Alright, your fight with Majin Boo is 1 day from now! Until then, train as much as you can! If you get even a little bit stronger, it will be more effective when you perform Fusion. Got that, you miserable little punks?!”

This implies a small percentage increase in the powers of Goten and Trunks equals a massive power increase in Gotenks. A Metamorian fusion formula just isn't possible considering all of these implications.

[p123]

It's possible that only Gotenks himself powered up and not the boys. That's quite the issue , one of the biggest ??? in the Boo Saga.

[CatouttaHell]

I don't see why they wouldn't power up themselves.

Even if you believe that they don't power up while they train as Gotenks, they more than likely trained unfused too.

[p123]

Individual training was even shown as soon as they get in there so that's definitely implied.

[Lucas Abner]

Bojack Full power vs Goku super saiya-jin Boo arc

Bojack full power vs Goku SSJ (Cell games) + Gohan SSJ (cell games)

Hirudergarn ultimate forma vs Goku SSJ GT arc

Bio Broly vs Semi Perfect Cell

Gogeta SSJ vs Super Boo

Broly SSJ normal Movie 10 vs Perfect Cell power maximum.

[Kaboom]

Bojack Full power vs Goku super saiya-jin Boo arc

Hard to say. Probably Goku, even if Bojack's meant to be the equivalent of full-power Cell. Goku's improved a LOT by the start of the Boo arc.

Bojack full power vs Goku SSJ (Cell games) + Gohan SSJ (cell games)

They'd put up a really good fight against him working together. They only have a slim chance of overpowering him though.

Hirudergarn ultimate forma vs Goku SSJ GT arc

Toei/GT Logic: Goku ALWAYS wins. They'd probably make him win even without Super Saiyan.
Normal Logic: Hildegarn sneezes and Goku is burnt to a crisp.

Bio Broly vs Semi Perfect Cell

Hard to tell. I'd actually consider the two almost series-to-movie equivalents of each other when it comes to power. But Cell's smarter and has more tricks and special abilities up his sleeve than sludge-head, so he'd probably win.

Gogeta SSJ vs Super Boo

I consider Evil Boo and Evil Janemba to be series-to-movie equivalents in power, so Super Gogeta takes out the trash almost as easily as with Janemba in Movie 12. Goku/Vegeta Fusions are typically just considered in a league of their own altogether.

Broly SSJ normal Movie 10 vs Perfect Cell power maximum.

Broly is at too much of a disadvantage in both power AND brains. Cell wins handily. Broly would need LSSj to firmly outclass Cell in power.

[p123]

Good Boo vs Base Goku ( End of Z ) this is at the tournament.

Apparently if Goten trained more, beating Good Boo would be no problem, which is absolutely absurd to wrap your mind around.

Also, Goku thinks that Oob may win the tournament, as well as Piccolo saying that Oob vs Goku would be the most important match and whatnot.

It seems to be implied that Base Goku has surpassed even Good Boo which is even absurd by a guy who is willing to accept

Base Goku ( Suppressed ) / Vegeta > Yakkon > Base Gohan > Stage 3 Mystery Fighter > Stage 2 Mystery Fighter > Pocus > Badibi's estimate for Base Saiyans = Kaioshins's estimate for Super Saiyans > Kaioshin > Piccolo

Thoughts ?

[CatouttaHell]

^I agree with all of that. I think that's where Toei got the idea to make GT Goku so damn strong from. End of Z Goku probably isn't terribly far from his GT self if you think Dai-Boo is just as strong as Good Boo.

At the very least Oob's rage burst at the end should be equal to SSjin 3 Goku/Pure Boo IMO. Goku just bouncing back from his power-up and smiling speaks volumes about his power at that point in time.

You think it's possible he sparred with Gohan and/or Gotenks in the 10 year gap a lot and gained power the way Piccolo did in the 3 year in the Artificial Humans arc?

Base Gotenks (Pre) > SSjin 2 Goku

Base Gotenks (Post) > SSjin Gotenks (Pre) > SSjin 3 Goku

Kuririn > Tenshinhan

SSjin Gohan (Post-Z Sword) > Majin Boo (Dai Kaioshin Absorbed)

Base Saiya-jins >>> Pui-Pui >> Kaioshin >>> Piccolo

Pure Boo = Oob > Base Goku (End of Z) > Base Vegeta (End of Z) > Good Boo

(I apologise for the overuse of the fake math inequality stuff.)

Are all controversial issues in the Boo arc that most people hate and don't believe that are probably true IMO.