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Dragon Ball Series Releases - What FUNimation Got Wrong

Post by SSJFrogGinyu » Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:30 pm

Since for the most part FUNimation always gets at least one thing wrong in all of their DB series releases, I thought I would compile a list :-D I know it's probably not complete, and in some cases I don't know exact details, so please help me out if you can!

DBZ Singles DVDs- No commercial bumpers/no "previous episode" segments (for the first few releases), no Japanese episode previews throughout the entire release... and of course a very bad dub.

DBZ Orange Brick Sets- Ruined the display by dumping the image into a 16:9 frame (and then they blatantly lied about it), no Japanese episode previews (as far as I know).

Dragon Ball Season Sets- No Japanese episode title cards, wrong ending credits for the first few sagas.

Dragon Box Sets- As far as I know, nothing.

DB Kai- No Japanese episode title cards. Some TV broadcast dub edits slipped into the uncut dub.

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Post by AgitoZ » Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:46 pm

SSJFrogGinyu wrote:Dragon Box Sets- As far as I know, nothing.
Well, it's missing the "story mode" feature (the equivalent to the "marathon mode" in their other releases) and the menus aren't animated. But I'm sure FUNi had to cut those to save space or something.
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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:00 pm

AgitoZ wrote:
SSJFrogGinyu wrote:Dragon Box Sets- As far as I know, nothing.
Well, it's missing the "story mode" feature (the equivalent to the "marathon mode" in their other releases) and the menus aren't animated. But I'm sure FUNi had to cut those to save space or something.
It could also be a legal technicality. It could be that they bought the rights to the Dragon Box footage, but not the same DVD menu format. From what I can tell, though, that shouldn't bother anybody. To be able to watch the actual episodes in such high quality is probably what fans really cared about anyway.
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Post by SSJFrogGinyu » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:06 pm

It could also be a legal technicality. It could be that they bought the rights to the Dragon Box footage, but not the same DVD menu format. From what I can tell, though, that shouldn't bother anybody. To be able to watch the actual episodes in such high quality is probably what fans really cared about anyway.
I agree. DVD menus have never really concerned me, but I never liked animated ones anyway, because I am that impatient. The ones on the DBZ singles discs used to drive me nuts... sloooowly scrolling to another part of the ship, and I remember practically tearing my hair out going "I don't care how good you can make these look! Just let me get to the language options!"
The episodes themselves are what really count.
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Post by AgitoZ » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:06 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote:From what I can tell, though, that shouldn't bother anybody. To be able to watch the actual episodes in such high quality is probably what fans really cared about anyway.
Oh for sure. Those are some of the tiniest nitpicks ever, but are faults nonetheless. Other than that they are almost identical to the Japanese editions. All other problems with the boxes come from it being such a great recreation of the original.
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Post by Super Sonic » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:07 pm

SSJFrogGinyu wrote:DBZ Singles DVDs- No commercial bumpers/no "previous episode" segments (for the first few releases), no Japanese episode previews throughout the entire release... and of course a very bad dub.
You are aware no Japanese previews were Toei's fault right? And the no "previous ep" segments aren't bad for the eps on the same dvd as you're watching it after each other.

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Post by SSJFrogGinyu » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:14 pm

You are aware no Japanese previews were Toei's fault right?
No, I didn't know that. What exactly happened?
And the no "previous ep" segments aren't bad for the eps on the same dvd as you're watching it after each other.
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Post by JulieYBM » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:15 pm

SSJFrogGinyu wrote:
You are aware no Japanese previews were Toei's fault right?
No, I didn't know that. What exactly happened?
According to Daimao, they didn't get the audio for the next episode previews, only the footage.
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Post by thedarkuniter » Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:18 pm

So far, the first release of Kai is not perfect due to the music scandal (half's Yamamoto, half's Kikuchi), the lack of alternate angles and some of the TV edits dialogue slipping through the dub. As for the Dragon Boxes, there's this tiny mistake where Funimation completely mess up the disc order for the 6th Dragon Box.
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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:30 pm

thedarkuniter wrote:So far, the first release of Kai is not perfect due to the music scandal (half's Yamamoto, half's Kikuchi), the lack of alternate angles and some of the TV edits dialogue slipping through the dub. As for the Dragon Boxes, there's this tiny mistake where Funimation completely mess up the disc order for the 6th Dragon Box.
Has somebody sent them an email about that? They might re-call it and correct it. They did that for one of the later printings of the Season 3 orange brick set when one of the discs reportedly had problems.
A "rather haggard" translation of a line from Future Gohan in DBZ, provided to FUNimation by Toei:
"To think of fighting that is this fun...so, it was pleasant fight, as many as, therefore is a feeling which is good the fight where."

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Post by Godo » Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:31 pm

Hey, people bought the releases. I'd say that their wrongdoings were intentional. If people bought it, why should they work for a complete and satisfying release, and losing money on getting the rights at the same time? Starve a bunch of people for a long time, and they think that bread is the most luxurious meal that they have ever eaten.

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Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:31 pm

SSJFrogGinyu wrote: DBZ Orange Brick Sets- Ruined the display by dumping the image into a 16:9 frame (and then they blatantly lied about it), no Japanese episode previews (as far as I know).
-Saturated/Bolded and brightened footage,
-Blur (Oh <i>god</i> the blur).
SSJFrogGinyu wrote: Dragon Box Sets- As far as I know, nothing.
-No Falconer audio track (Not the audience, but why not).
-Episodes divided into opening, eyecatch, ending (As opposed to the Seasons Sets divideing them into fourths). Opinion, but it makes navigating bloated episodes cumbersome.
SSJFrogGinyu wrote: DB Kai- No Japanese episode title cards. Some TV broadcast dub edits slipped into the uncut dub.
Never heard about this.
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Post by Puto » Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:34 pm

SSJFrogGinyu wrote:no Japanese episode previews throughout the entire release....
Until the Dragon Boxes, they never had them. As in they were never given Japanese audio for any of the previews.
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Post by Rukura » Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:52 pm

While a lot of us have seen that article and agree that it shows how much better the japanese Dragon Boxes could have been (be it regarding possible extra features)...where's the connection to the FUNimation release in comparison to what Toei put out?
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Post by CaBrPi » Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:24 pm

The Orange Bricks also have audio mixing problems, such as the dub voice track being rather quiet, and then the Japanese music being much, much louder. It's not so bad on Season One, but my copies of Two, Three, and Four all have this problem. It doesn't seem to exist when using the dub music, though.

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BlazingFiddlesticks wrote: -Episodes divided into opening, eyecatch, ending (As opposed to the Seasons Sets divideing them into fourths). Opinion, but it makes navigating bloated episodes cumbersome.
That's how most anime episodes are usually divided, though with right after the opening usually. Funimation did that with Ouran and Sekirei too.
CaBrPi wrote:The Orange Bricks also have audio mixing problems, such as the dub voice track being rather quiet, and then the Japanese music being much, much louder. It's not so bad on Season One, but my copies of Two, Three, and Four all have this problem. It doesn't seem to exist when using the dub music, though.
It may be due to how your dvd player/tv handles the 5.1 sound. That happens with me too as stereo sound seems louder than 5.1.

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Post by CaBrPi » Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:30 pm

Super Sonic wrote:
BlazingFiddlesticks wrote: -Episodes divided into opening, eyecatch, ending (As opposed to the Seasons Sets divideing them into fourths). Opinion, but it makes navigating bloated episodes cumbersome.
That's how most anime episodes are usually divided, though with right after the opening usually. Funimation did that with Ouran and Sekirei too.
CaBrPi wrote:The Orange Bricks also have audio mixing problems, such as the dub voice track being rather quiet, and then the Japanese music being much, much louder. It's not so bad on Season One, but my copies of Two, Three, and Four all have this problem. It doesn't seem to exist when using the dub music, though.
It may be due to how your dvd player/tv handles the 5.1 sound. That happens with me too as stereo sound seems louder than 5.1.
Ah, could be.

Still, it's irritating when I'm constantly having to turn the volume up and down.

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Post by TripleRach » Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:41 pm

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SSJFrogGinyu wrote:Dragon Box Sets- As far as I know, nothing.
Well, it's missing the "story mode" feature (the equivalent to the "marathon mode" in their other releases) and the menus aren't animated. But I'm sure FUNi had to cut those to save space or something.
I think the theory was that there wasn't enough space on the menu for Story Mode.

But compared to the Japanese boxes, they're obviously missing most of the extras (most importantly the TV specials). FUNimation also didn't seem to use the disc space very wisely, at least for Boxes 1-5. I think they could have fit an extra audio track on there (IE, dub with Faulconer music), which would have made them more appealing to dub fans. Honestly, I think they would've been better off using a Faulconer track instead of a dub+Kikuchi music track, just because it would appeal to a bigger crowd. The "hardcore" purist crowd typically prefers the Japanese audio anyway.
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