Gave GT A Chance, Hated It

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

I really only enjoy GT out of sentimentality, as it was my first exposure to the Japanese version of Dragon Ball.

[GotenDaisuki]

I'm confused as to how exactly getting the "Black-Star" Dragon Balls after making a wish stops the destruction of Earth. I thought it was:
1. Pilaf messed up and turned Goku into a kid again.
2. The gang gathers the Dragon Balls and returns them to Earth.
3. They wish Goku back to normal, all's-well-that-ends-well.
Apparently this wasn't the case.

[Codarik]

The only things I liked about GT was Tokunaga's music, the opening and ending themes, and Vegeta's attire. I didn't like the character designs and the animation, everyone looked fat.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Really I thought the whole reason they went into space was to find the dragon balls before something bad happens (I forget what) and wish Goku back into an adult. Mind you, I watched this a long time ago with the English dub.

Even in the Funi dub, the something bad was the Earth exploding. Gohan tells everyone that the stress of wishing Goku small and then big again might be too much, and it would probably be better if he grew up naturally. That and using the balls again would mean they'd have to search the universe again to find them once more. They'd have to do it with even less time to find them if they made the wish before the original year was up too, because when Bebi make his wish to restore Vegeta/Plant/Tsufuru, the Earth still explodes a few weeks later from the original wish. The balls have to be on the planet on the exact day the year is up, they don't prevent the Earth from exploding just because they were brought back to the Earth.

I'm confused as to how exactly getting the "Black-Star" Dragon Balls after making a wish stops the destruction of Earth. I thought it was:
1. Pilaf messed up and turned Goku into a kid again.
2. The gang gathers the Dragon Balls and returns them to Earth.
3. They wish Goku back to normal, all's-well-that-ends-well.
Apparently this wasn't the case.

I don't remember who, but someone had a good theory about that (maybe Kaboom? *shrug*), and I have since subscribed to the line of thought and then stolen it for my own works. lol In short (without actually looking it up, I'm lazy), it goes something like this:

When you make a wish on the normal Dragon Balls, they absorb the negative energy created by the wish and then disperse it in harmless amounts over time. If the energy builds up, well something similar to the Evil Dragons Arc happens. lol For the Ultimate versions, the negative energy is released on the Earth, and will only be absorbed by the balls if they are recollected within the 1 year limit (once the earth circles the sun and comes back to the negative energy). If they aren't gathered, the build up of the harmful negative energy causes the planet to 'splode...

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

They didn't have source material to base the anime off of, so of course it won't be of the same caliber as the previous anime.

As I was watching GT, I kept saying that over and over in my head, as a way to compensate, but it just didn't work. I know they focused more on trying to cap-off what made at least the first series good, but the end result was simply not good, to me.

[CaBrPi]

How was that one of the main goals? It was established in the first episode that it would be better for him to grow up naturally rather than wish him big again.

Really I thought the whole reason they went into space was to find the dragon balls before something bad happens (I forget what) and wish Goku back into an adult. Mind you, I watched this a long time ago with the English dub.

According to Kaio, the Black Star Dragon Balls cause the planet on which a wish to them has been made to explode unless they are gathered back to that planet within one year.

Although, if I remember correctly, it seems more like they have to be there when the year is up, not necessarily before. I can't remember if they ever got them back to Earth before Baby used them.

[Cipher]

Why do I like GT?

Because its pacing, sometimes serialized, sometimes episodic, makes it an infinitely more watchable series than either of the other two.

Because the art (on any non-Studio Live day), color palette and soundtrack are absolutely gorgeous together. Tokunaga wouldn't have worked for the whole series, but it's perfect for the nostalgic, pastel space-opera that is GT.

Because the entire series is dripping with nostalgia, making for a perfect wrap-up. It's yesteryear '50s-style soundtrack, its frumpy, aged characters, its plots throwing back to old Dragon Ball hunts, the Saiyans, old enemies, etc. The ending songs/videos ad to this quite well also.

Because it's nice getting some more laid back villains and adventures at this point (if you don't subscribe to the idea that everyone's past Boo-level powers at this point, which I don't, and you shouldn't either).

Because it's kind of great to see the characters have aged. The final scene with elderly Kuririn commenting on how neither Goku nor Kame-Sennin have changed, while he's grown old? That's about as poignant a moment as Dragon Ball provides.

Because, while the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai works as an ending for Goku's character, the ending GT provides is much better for the series as a whole.

[TheGreatness25]

I do find it to be pretty nostalgic. When I was in 4th grade, 9/10 years old, and Toonami kept spinning the same episodes of DBZ again and again and again, and the internet had little bits and pieces of pictures and summaries of the rest of the series (that wasn't all that accurate because I could never find a real summary of GT that had any resemblance to the actual series), pictures of Super Saiyan 4 and adult Goten and Trunks and all that was totally freaking awesome. And getting a Japanese Dragon Ball game (one of them being Final Bout) and knowing that it was centered around GT (although it really wasn't lol) was awesome to me. Maybe that's why I cut it so much slack, because it brings me back to the time where I loved the series the most, when I knew close to nothing about it and it was totally mysterious.

Now that I have Dragon Boxes and have like 4 different versions of each show, the truth is, it's just there. I struggle to watch it sometimes because I notice ALL of its flaws now, as opposed to back then when all it was, was this perfect awesome thing that existed that occupied a lot of my childhood. Now it's just kind of...there...in boxed form...sitting on shelves. Eh.

Even my first DVDs of the series that I ever got (not counting recording DBZ off Toonami, or having the original 13 episodes of DB on VHS) were "Path to Power" and the first DVD of the "Lost Episodes" of GT. Maybe I'm just programmed to like GT automatically lol

[SylentEcho]

I liked GT from the Baby arc onwards. The whole General Dildo and the hunt for the Black Star's Balls was was terrible because the humour was cheesy unlike Dragon Ball.

GT from the Baby arc onwards is watchable just because one knows that it ends only 30 episodes later which isn't much.

I hated the flaws and the plot-holes, I hated Pan and the fact that Gohan was useless, the fact that we never saw Gotenks, the fact that Vegeta was useless. I really didn't like it when I saw Freeza and Cell defeated so easily, it made it look like whoever watched the Namek to Cell arc was a fool and wasted his/her time.

However, I liked the concept of SSJ4, it looks really cool and surprising that that beast looking thing can be Goku or Vegeta. I like the fact that they gave Vegeta SSJ4. I also liked the whole Baby Vegeta thing, the choice Piccolo makes to stay in hell and that last episode still makes me cry and I don't cry easy.

Like I said, I hated the plot-holes and so many other things, but I still loved GT because it gave us a good nostalgic ending unlike Z, but more than that I was just happy to see my favourite characters in another series. DB and DBZ just weren't enough for me. I needed more and I'm happy that GT is around. I however regard the DBZ ending canon and think of GT as a what-if or a long movie.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

GT had great BGM, Opening and Ending songs, the animation quality is great, and it had great ideas. However, those ideas weren't executed very good. The first arc was boooring, though I liked General Rild, but when Bebi appeared things became very interested. Bebi wad great transformations, Golden Oozaru and SSJ4 were great, and the final battle was also great. I didn't like Super #17's design, but I loved the idea of #17 being incomplete, and with the Machine Mutant technology completing him. I also liked the idea of Super #17's powers being a combination of all previous Artificial Humans(exept Cell). The Evil Dragons were great and had original powers. Especialy Yi Xing Long was my favorite and the ending was great too.

[angelus0901]

I sold my two GT bricks. I realized I hated GT. There's nothing in it I liked, okay, except SSJ4 but after some time, that stopped being interesting. SSJ4 Gogeta was great, too, but he was only like for 5 mins.

[mister yummy]

I honestly don't get all the Pan hate. She's one of my favorite characters, and a major reason I enjoy GT. Sure, I wish she'd do more fighting and less whining, but really, what can you expect from an 8 year old girl who wants people to think of her as grown up?

I really do like this series. It gets a bit ridiculous at times, and there are some minor inconsistencies, but nothing I can't fanwank away. Everything up until Bebi shows up is pure gold. From there it drags a bit until Goku transforms into a Super Saiya-jin 4. Super 17 was an interesting nostalgia trip, but it was way too short, and the ending was totally lame. The Evil Dragons were pretty good, but also had a weak ending. The last couple of episodes are a much better ending for the 3 series as a whole than the end of Dragonball Z, in my opinion.

Also, superb music, really good voice acting, and beautiful animation help it a lot. Those factors really help gloss over the weak plot and bad writing the series suffers from at times.

Here are some "major plot holes" i don't see as plotholes at all:

"Why are people stronger than Goku and Buu?" Goku gets a lot weaker when he's turned into a kid. He's the only one who says anybody is stronger than Buu, and his reference is skewed. Rildo, imo, isn't anywhere near as strong as any Buu.

Why didn't they see the Black Star Dragonballs before?"" They were plain stone until Piccolo and Kami reunited. After that, they were on "The Lookout" and inside of a container that blocks whatever the Dragon Radar detects. Pilaf was merely following up on a rumor he heard.

"Coola doesn't exist!!!111!11!!!one!" Why not? Even if his movies couldn't fit into the timeline(debatable in itself), that doesn't preclude his existance. Maybe Freeza has a brother that never showed up until that point, when he was resurrected from hell.

"Android 19 was in hell." Um...maybe machines can have souls if they're intelligent enough? Or m aybe this one really is a plothole. Incidently, I think it was actually Dr. Gero's flesh and blood body, and not Android 20, that escaped from Hell.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

"Why are people stronger than Goku and Buu?" Goku gets a lot weaker when he's turned into a kid. He's the only one who says anybody is stronger than Buu, and his reference is skewed. Rildo, imo, isn't anywhere near as strong as any Buu.

Goku lost 0 strength, he only lost stamina for SSJ3 and he couldn't use Shoukan Ido, because his body was too small and he couldn't control it well. And I'm sure that Goku said that Rild was as strong as Boo (or did he say stronger? Correct me if I'm wrong). Also, every character was weak in GT, exept Goku, Vegeta in the end, Oob, Rild, Luud and the main villains.

[Puto]

Although, if I remember correctly, it seems more like they have to be there when the year is up, not necessarily before. I can't remember if they ever got them back to Earth before Baby used them.

Baby used them on Earth, so...

[Brodes_Vegetto]

GT is definitely interesting, after Z ended I couldn't leave it to my own imagination to think of what was in store for the characters next & although the GT story line isn't from Toriyama himself but I love that there is at least something to fall back on (even if it isn't the way the story should have turned out). Though I find the story doesn't pick up untill the Baby arc.