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Re: DBZ: Ultimate Blast/Tenkaichi (Pre-Release Discussion)

Post by Thanos » Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:32 am

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:....Gosh, you guys are acting like a spoiled child. So what if a few characters are omitted? The majority of main characters from previous game are still in this game. You can't always expect this game to be exactly like Meteor in HD where the roster are packed with too much characters. If you want to play Goten, Trunks, Gohan, SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta, they have them in Meteor. Even all Budokai series never had this much roster as the Sparking! series, which is a good thing since the majority of Meteor roster are very flat.
There really isn't a good excuse for the character roster to be any smaller than the original Raging Blast. We are not acting like spoiled children... we are reacting appropriately based on the nature of this game. Spike has been in the Dragon Ball game business since 2005. They should know better by now than to strip the character roster. Christ... it's been six years since their first game and with every new title, they shrink the character count. They're all the same series, let's be honest. They're just using the new title as an excuse to omit features, much like Infinite World.
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:This new game offers something new which we never have had before. You'd have to sacrifice something to gain something, so they did in order to create Hero mode, which looks cool, in my opinion.
To reiterate what others have said... who says you have to sacrifice to gain? Are you sure you don't work for Spike's public relations team?

I would be more accepting of the characters being taken out if the Hero mode actually was worth a damn. A limit of three male Saiyans with preset outfits... no thank you. Spike knows damn well they could create a kick ass Character Creator, but once again, they're starting over again (kind of unjustifiable on the same console) and taking advantage of people by purposefully keeping out so many features and leaving us with a bare-bones game.

The most we can hope for is that Spike will stop their greed once realizing that no one blindly shells out $60 for a Dragon Ball game anymore... maybe then they will give us Sparking! 4 or something. :D
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:You should at least take a look at the game yourself and see what you think of it once it comes out in the store. But right now you shouldn't jump to conclusion just because of the few omitted characters.
Vomit-inducing camera jumps, identical QTE's and combos for every character in the game, diminutive character count, pointless graphics revision (pseudo manga-style with movie/GT characters...? Mmkay.)... I do believe we've seen enough.
Titan wrote:I hope so,Spike and Dimps must go.This franchise needs fresh blood.

DBZ Tenkaichi 3 was the most successful dbz game.

After BT2 and BT3, every single thing Spike did was a downgrade despite the fact that people constantly said they want a BT3 HD or BT4.
Amen. Raging Blast was Sparking! 0.5. Raging Blast 2 was Sparking!. Now, Ultimate Blast is basically Raging Blast 0.5. Each new installment that isn't a sequel is a castration of the previous games. WHY? They stand nothing to gain by doing this anymore. At least Dimps made it seem like they were making honest efforts to improve each new installment (excluding Burst Limit), unlike this blatantly leaving shit out crap.
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Post by Titan » Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:40 am

Thanos wrote:
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:....Gosh, you guys are acting like a spoiled child. So what if a few characters are omitted? The majority of main characters from previous game are still in this game. You can't always expect this game to be exactly like Meteor in HD where the roster are packed with too much characters. If you want to play Goten, Trunks, Gohan, SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta, they have them in Meteor. Even all Budokai series never had this much roster as the Sparking! series, which is a good thing since the majority of Meteor roster are very flat.
There really isn't a good excuse for the character roster to be any smaller than the original Raging Blast. We are not acting like spoiled children... we are reacting appropriately based on the nature of this game. Spike has been in the Dragon Ball game business since 2005. They should know better by now than to strip the character roster. Christ... it's been six years since their first game and with every new title, they shrink the character count. They're all the same series, let's be honest. They're just using the new title as an excuse to omit features, much like Infinite World.
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:This new game offers something new which we never have had before. You'd have to sacrifice something to gain something, so they did in order to create Hero mode, which looks cool, in my opinion.
To reiterate what others have said... who says you have to sacrifice to gain? Are you sure you don't work for Spike's public relations team?

I would be more accepting of the characters being taken out if the Hero mode actually was worth a damn. A limit of three male Saiyans with preset outfits... no thank you. Spike knows damn well they could create a kick ass Character Creator, but once again, they're starting over again (kind of unjustifiable on the same console) and taking advantage of people by purposefully keeping out so many features and leaving us with a bare-bones game.

The most we can hope for is that Spike will stop their greed once realizing that no one blindly shells out $60 for a Dragon Ball game anymore... maybe then they will give us Sparking! 4 or something. :D
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:You should at least take a look at the game yourself and see what you think of it once it comes out in the store. But right now you shouldn't jump to conclusion just because of the few omitted characters.
Vomit-inducing camera jumps, identical QTE's and combos for every character in the game, diminutive character count, pointless graphics revision (pseudo manga-style with movie/GT characters...? Mmkay.)... I do believe we've seen enough.
Titan wrote:I hope so,Spike and Dimps must go.This franchise needs fresh blood.

DBZ Tenkaichi 3 was the most successful dbz game.

After BT2 and BT3, every single thing Spike did was a downgrade despite the fact that people constantly said they want a BT3 HD or BT4.
Amen. Raging Blast was Sparking! 0.5. Raging Blast 2 was Sparking!. Now, Ultimate Blast is basically Raging Blast 0.5. Each new installment that isn't a sequel is a castration of the previous games. WHY? They stand nothing to gain by doing this anymore. At least Dimps made it seem like they were making honest efforts to improve each new installment (excluding Burst Limit), unlike this blatantly leaving shit out crap.
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Post by Jaetinh » Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:14 pm

Wait what..? 'We'll look into it for the next game', 'next game', next that, next this. I'm sick of this.

Spike and Bandai have made three games in the Blast series, Raging Blast 1, Raging Blast 2 and Ultimate Blast (Raging Blast 3).
This game is Raging Blast 3, are they suddenly thinking about making a new game next year called Ultimate Blast 2 (RG4)? Why is it that they always think about the NEXT year rather than focusing everything in this that supposedly was meant to be the third and final game that would end the Blast series like Budokai 1,2,3, BT 1,2,3.

In Raging Blast 1 I expected it to be okay since it was the first game of this series, then RG2 came and there were no GT characters and no Story Mode, so basically we all knew it would be out in the final and last game in RG3.

Then in 2011 when RG3/UT is out, we all rightfully hope and expect this game to be THE ULTIMATE AND FINAL GAME made by Spike. No more 'NEXT YEAR WE'LL PROBABLY THIS AND THAT' ... but again we get the 'NEXT YEAR WE'LL....' thing.

Games like the FIFA series improve their games with new players, new modes and new everything every year, why can't Spike do the same thing? Is it really necessary to sacrifice that many characters?

What does Tien scream like a bitch for in UT Story Mode when Nappa is in the air? There's no such thing as Chaozu.. Nappa must have offended Tien's mother or something.

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Post by NECPS » Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:54 pm

I also think the game is becoming very unbecoming.
I am errasing it from my mind for now.

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Post by ShinMassa » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:00 pm

Jaetinh wrote:Why is it that they always think about the NEXT year rather than focusing everything in this that supposedly was meant to be the third and final game that would end the Blast series like Budokai 1,2,3, BT 1,2,3.
The third and final game thing, this isn't the third Raging Blast game AT ALL. It's a new series.

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Post by Rukura » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:03 pm

I just noticed:
MCDaveG wrote:18 - 'How will the combat really work? it seems like it is only qte but it also seems like it isnt the whole thing''!
Answer : When you reach a 5 combo strike with punch or Kikoha, the QTE is activated, so it's lot and lot of QTE and it's very boring if you play it with friends ...
LOL They already acknowledge that it's boring after a few days and it hasn't even been released yet :lol:


Also:
MCDaveG wrote:27 - Will we able too use the anime costumes/colors too in UT?
Answer : No.
What does that even mean?

ShinMassa wrote:The third and final game thing, this isn't the third Raging Blast game AT ALL. It's a new series.
Raging Blast. Raging Blast 2. Ultimate BLAST. You're probably alone on that one.
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Post by ShinMassa » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:08 pm

Rukura wrote:
ShinMassa wrote:The third and final game thing, this isn't the third Raging Blast game AT ALL. It's a new series.
Raging Blast. Raging Blast 2. Ultimate BLAST. You're probably alone on that one.
I'm not alone on that. That's like calling Budokai Tenkaichi, Budokai 4 since it has Budokai in the title. They are two completely different games.

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Post by Rukura » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:15 pm

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Rukura wrote:
ShinMassa wrote:The third and final game thing, this isn't the third Raging Blast game AT ALL. It's a new series.
Raging Blast. Raging Blast 2. Ultimate BLAST. You're probably alone on that one.
I'm not alone on that. That's like calling Budokai Tenkaichi, Budokai 4 since it has Budokai in the title. They are two completely different games.
So Ultimate Blast isn't a 3D free form fighter with lots of characters and no individuality made by Spike? Wow, they fooled me...
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Post by InfernalVegito » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:17 pm

It may be a "new" game yet they have implemented almost everything from the RB games into it. The models, the combat animations, the attacks (despite now with new explosive effects), half of the game engine...
Well Spike's "next year we'll this and that..." attitude is the same as always.
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Post by Haseowolf » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:18 pm

ShinMassa wrote:
Rukura wrote:
ShinMassa wrote:The third and final game thing, this isn't the third Raging Blast game AT ALL. It's a new series.
Raging Blast. Raging Blast 2. Ultimate BLAST. You're probably alone on that one.
I'm not alone on that. That's like calling Budokai Tenkaichi, Budokai 4 since it has Budokai in the title. They are two completely different games.
The difference between those is that they were made by two different developers. It's called Ultimate Tenka'ichi outside of Japan because of a vote done by fans. It's called Ultimate Blast in Japan. The follow up/continuation/penultimate Raging Blast game.

Sadly, after all of this debate and whatnot, my excitement is starting to wither for this game. I was EXTREMELY pumped for this game, but even looking at vids now...I'm just kinda let down. It really IS the same 5 or so hit combo with all the follow-up moves done by pointing the stick in a direction and hitting Square or Triangle. No real combos at all...

We've got plenty of gameplay videos, but do we have any gameplay impressions by people who've played it? Did they have fun playing? That's all I wanna know right now...
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Post by ShinMassa » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:33 pm

Rukura wrote:So Ultimate Blast isn't a 3D free form fighter with lots of characters and no individuality made by Spike? Wow, they fooled me...
It is, but it sure isn't any Raging Blast 3.

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Post by Rukura » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:40 pm

ShinMassa wrote:
Rukura wrote:So Ultimate Blast isn't a 3D free form fighter with lots of characters and no individuality made by Spike? Wow, they fooled me...
It is, but it sure isn't any Raging Blast 3.
It's the third and final game of this specific series of games. Whether you feel that it not being specifically called "Raging Blast 3" negates that is totally up to you, but this is not a new series of games. A horse doesn't become a zebra if you paint black and white stripes on it.

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Post by ShinMassa » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:42 pm

Rukura wrote:
ShinMassa wrote:
Rukura wrote:So Ultimate Blast isn't a 3D free form fighter with lots of characters and no individuality made by Spike? Wow, they fooled me...
It is, but it sure isn't any Raging Blast 3.
It's the third and final game of this specific series of games. Whether you feel that it not being specifically called "Raging Blast 3" negates that is totally up to you, but this is not a new series of games. A horse doesn't become a zebra if you paint black and white stripes on it.

Dragon Ball Z / Dragon Ball Z 2 / Dragon Ball Z 3
Sparking! / Sparking! NEO / Sparking! METEOR
Raging Blast / Raging Blast 2 / Ultimate Blast
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Post by MCDaveG » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:47 pm

Rukura wrote:
MCDaveG wrote:27 - Will we able too use the anime costumes/colors too in UT?
Answer : No.
What does that even mean?
I think the question is about the colors in the Character creator. So that means that you won't be able to use exact costumes from anime.....
But I'm not sure, it's really unclear from this Q&A what it is about. I'll try to ask Anthony, what he meant by that question.

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Well, from everything we know now...... Ultimate my ass. :roll:
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:49 pm

Rukura wrote:It's the third and final game of this specific series of games. Whether you feel that it not being specifically called "Raging Blast 3" negates that is totally up to you, but this is not a new series of games.
I have to disagree with you. The changes to the fighting engine have pretty much made this a completely different game series... I mean, would you call Halo 3 the third game in the trilogy if they changed from a true FPS to something like the Metal Gear Solid series, having to make the Chief sneak around instead of just kicking ass?

Plus, the reps said that if UT/UB doesn't sell well, and the fan demand is high enough, Raging blast 3 may be a possibility down the line.
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Post by MCDaveG » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:54 pm

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Rukura wrote:It's the third and final game of this specific series of games. Whether you feel that it not being specifically called "Raging Blast 3" negates that is totally up to you, but this is not a new series of games.
I have to disagree with you. The changes to the fighting engine have pretty much made this a completely different game series... I mean, would you call Halo 3 the third game in the trilogy if they changed from a true FPS to something like the Metal Gear Solid series?

Plus, the reps said that if UT/UB doesn't sell well, and the fan demand is high enough, Raging blast 3 may be a possibility down the line.
Yeah, like with Gokuden and Gokuden 2 back in the prehistoric games.... Different engines, but same series.
Obviously the thing that makes game part of the series is name and developer.
Spike / Ultimate Blast with 2 Blast titles before.

There is lot of games like this. It's like saying the Final Fantasy XIII isn't part of the Final Fantasy series, because the battle system is completely different from before.
Ultimate Blast plays the same as Raging Blast, the only add some few cosmetic shits. FF XIII is more not part of FF series then Ultimate Blast ever will be from Raging Blast.
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Post by Rukura » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:59 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
Rukura wrote:It's the third and final game of this specific series of games. Whether you feel that it not being specifically called "Raging Blast 3" negates that is totally up to you, but this is not a new series of games.
I have to disagree with you. The changes to the fighting engine have pretty much made this a completely different game series... I mean, would you call Halo 3 the third game in the trilogy if they changed from a true FPS to something like the Metal Gear Solid series?

Plus, the reps said that if UT/UB doesn't sell well, and the fan demand is high enough, Raging blast 3 may be a possibility down the line.
It's a sequel to that game, despite the amount of changes that they made the way it plays. If they had named this one Raging Blast 3, would you not see it as the sequel? They're calling it Ultimate Blast, what's the difference? They just want to make it sound better to the buyer...
(Call of Duty has also had both first and third person in the same game already. It has also kept certain titles despite the amount of changes made to its engine, where EVERYTHING has changed except the first person view)
MCDaveG wrote:
Rukura wrote:
MCDaveG wrote:27 - Will we able too use the anime costumes/colors too in UT?
Answer : No.
What does that even mean?
I think the question is about the colors in the Character creator. So that means that you won't be able to use exact costumes from anime.....
But I'm not sure, it's really unclear from this Q&A what it is about. I'll try to ask Anthony, what he meant by that question.

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Well, from everything we know now...... Ultimate my ass. :roll:
Yeah, the wording was really weird. Because from what we've see, we can pretty much choose every color...which includes the originals as long as we select them that way...
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Post by MCDaveG » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:17 pm

Rukura wrote: Yeah, the wording was really weird. Because from what we've see, we can pretty much choose every color...which includes the originals as long as we select them that way...
The question was about alternate costumes. He asked that if the characters will have more costumes (colors) from anime and the answer is no. Only two for each. Only Goku have about 6 costumes in this game.
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