DBZ: Ultimate Blast/Tenkaichi (Pre-Release Discussion)

[cloud1414]

Well to me,I'm okay with missing Goten,Trunks and base Teen Gohan and Gotenks. Why you may ask? Because I never use them. What's the point? I am totally fine with this. Only thing I want to complain about is the fans. Never satisfied,never will be.

[Rukura]

Yeah, the wording was really weird. Because from what we've see, we can pretty much choose every color...which includes the originals as long as we select them that way...

The question was about alternate costumes. He asked that if the characters will have more costumes (colors) from anime and the answer is no. Only two for each. Only Goku have about 6 costumes in this game.

Wow...so they're actually bullshitting us from what they had said before... Only 2 for each. And i bet most will be color swaps like always, then.

I'm still hoping for ultimate Gohan with the kaioshin outfit, though. It's unforgivable that they've gone 6 games without it (and that's just Spike games)

Well to me,I'm okay with missing Goten,Trunks and base Teen Gohan and Gotenks. Why you may ask? Because I never use them. What's the point? I am totally fine with this. Only thing I want to complain about is the fans. Never satisfied,never will be.

The problem is being promised this world and the next wrapped in epic-covered awesomeness. And then realizing that...not so much. (and the game is not even out)

[TheDevilsCorpse]

It's a sequel to that game, despite the amount of changes that they made the way it plays. If they had named this one Raging Blast 3, would you not see it as the sequel? They're calling it Ultimate Blast, what's the difference? They just want to make it sound better to the buyer...

I admit it's a sequel, yes, but not a direct sequel as you're suggesting. Its more akin to the BT-RB relationship than the RB-RB2 relationship.

Had they named it RB3, I'd reconsider my opinion on both the game and their intelligence, but that's a different matter altogether. It isn't called that, and it apparently wasn't even a thought seeing how they asked us to pick the name. I'm almost willing to bet that it only gained the Ultimate Blast title in Japan because the rest of the fandom fucked up their chance to name the game. Since we picked the redundant "Ultimate Tenkaichi", they didn't want to call the game the quasi-equivalent "Ultimate Ultimate" in Japan, and opted to put Blast in the title so they didn't look retarded. Had we picked something like "Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Warriors", the game probably would have been called "Doragon Boru Zetto: Saiy-jin Senshi" or something...

To be blunt though, the simple fact that they suggested RB3 may still be a possibility tells us they aren't treating UT/UB as the next sequel in a trilogy, and you shouldn't either.

[Rocketman]

Well to me,I'm okay with missing Goten,Trunks and base Teen Gohan and Gotenks. Why you may ask? Because I never use them.

Other people do, Mr Selfish.

[InfernalVegito]

Well to me,I'm okay with missing Goten,Trunks and base Teen Gohan and Gotenks. Why you may ask? Because I never use them. What's the point? I am totally fine with this. Only thing I want to complain about is the fans. Never satisfied,never will be.

I would be fine as well if it was the FIRST game in a new series. But fuck them. They are intentionally milking everything untill the next series of games. I bet next game will have SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta but no SSJ4 Gogeta.

[Rukura]

Had they named it RB3, I'd reconsider my opinion on both the game and their intelligence, but that's a different matter altogether.

Their intelligence might not be a different matter lol. In fact, the lack of it (given the general agreement on their latest games) may have a lot to do with everything we've talked about lol

To be blunt though, the simple fact that they suggested RB3 may still be a possibility tells us they aren't treating UT/UB as the next sequel in a trilogy, and you shouldn't either.

I get that, but it won't be named Raging Blast 3 being the 4th game in the series, because this one is the 3rd Blast, and it is batched up into this.
.....but it probably won't exist, because this is very clearly gonna flop as a release.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I get that, but it won't be named Raging Blast 3 being the 4th game in the series.....and it probably won't exist, because this is very clearly gonna flop as a release.

That's where we differ in opinions again, because I don't see this game as a third in a trilogy right now, its definitely more like a new series or a spin-off. They could very well release Raging Blast 3 as "Raging Blast 3" once Ultimate Blast flops, and then write it off as a "little something different we tried between games"...similarly to how I see the Tenkaichi series. You have Tenkaichi 1-3 and then Tag as a spin-off (though its not the exact same because Tag came after 3, and despite the gimmick, didn't really suck as bad as this game will).

Granted if I'm going to get more Spike games, I would like them to pick up where they left off with RB2 and try to improve it some more...but I'd suggest another name change to distance themselves for the Blast of a fiasco they've inevitably brought upon themselves.

[ShinMassa]

Oh, back on that RB3 title thing, UT is NOT RB3, like said before. The gameplay is different, restricted, it's not a free form fighter, it has a completely style.

If you're gonna call UT Raging Blast 3, then you might as well let RB1 be called Tenkaichi 4, and Burst Limit called Budokai 4.

[Titan]

Yeah, the wording was really weird. Because from what we've see, we can pretty much choose every color...which includes the originals as long as we select them that way...

The question was about alternate costumes. He asked that if the characters will have more costumes (colors) from anime and the answer is no. Only two for each. Only Goku have about 6 costumes in this game.

Wow the level of disrespect in this game is limitless!

For instance,i thought Tenshinhan would have his Buu's saga final outfit considering that we see him wearing it in the intro.But, the answer is a big no.

The third and final game thing, this isn't the third Raging Blast game AT ALL. It's a new series.

You missed the point.
Jaetinh answered your question:

"...Games like the FIFA series improve their games with new players, new modes and new everything every year, why can't Spike do the same thing? ..."

Games like the FIFA series improve their games with new players, new modes and new everything every year, why can't Spike do the same thing? Is it really necessary to sacrifice that many characters?

Because,they are incompetent and because they don't give a damn about the franchise or about pleasing the fans.

Basically, they treat DBZ fanbase like a bunch of retards who will keep buying it no matter what.
Unfortunately for them, the reaction was very harsh after RB2 whose sale results were horrible.
I think they need a second lesson and i'm confident they will get another one.


For instance,in fight night round 4, after many complains,we got what we wanted by DLC. There is no way this is going to happen in this franchise.

Wow...so they're actually bullshitting us from what they had said before... Only 2 for each. And i bet most will be color swaps like always, then.

I'm still hoping for ultimate Gohan with the kaioshin outfit, though. It's unforgivable that they've gone 6 games without it (and that's just Spike games)

Yes,they keep doing this over and over again and this isn't going to stop until people stop buying it.

[radrappy]

man, who cares what characters are in the game? The only thing that matters is the gameplay. If you want to mess around as a specific character, just pop in BT3. If you want to play a real game, pop in Super DBZ.

[Rukura]

I get that, but it won't be named Raging Blast 3 being the 4th game in the series.....and it probably won't exist, because this is very clearly gonna flop as a release.

That's where we differ in opinions again, because I don't see this game as a third in a trilogy right now, its definitely more like a new series or a spin-off. They could very well release Raging Blast 3 as "Raging Blast 3" once Ultimate Blast flops, and then write it off as a "little something different we tried between games"...similarly to how I see the Tenkaichi series. You have Tenkaichi 1-3 and then Tag as a spin-off (though its not the exact same because Tag came after 3, and despite the gimmick, didn't really suck as bad as this game will).

Granted if I'm going to get more Spike games, I would like them to pick up where they left off with RB2 and try to improve it some more...but I'd suggest another name change to distance themselves for the Blast of a fiasco they've inevitably brought upon themselves.

But you're almost writting it off because we're getting it as Tenkaichi here. It's not Tenkaichi in Japan. Just like Tenkaichi Tag Team didn't have "Sparking!" in the japanese title...and it was released how many years after what we got as BT3?

But at the end of the day does it matter, if we both agree that it's a flop 2 weeks before release? lol

Oh, back on that RB3 title thing, UT is NOT RB3, like said before. The gameplay is different, restricted, it's not a free form fighter, it has a completely style.

If you're gonna call UT Raging Blast 3, then you might as well let RB1 be called Tenkaichi 4, and Burst Limit called Budokai 4.

You're calling it "Ultimate Tenkaichi" as its named here. In Japan, it is still Blast. The gameplay is different, but they're the ones selling it off as the sequel. It's not like the Budokai and Tenkaichi over here that we had

Yeah, the wording was really weird. Because from what we've see, we can pretty much choose every color...which includes the originals as long as we select them that way...

The question was about alternate costumes. He asked that if the characters will have more costumes (colors) from anime and the answer is no. Only two for each. Only Goku have about 6 costumes in this game.

Wow the level of disrespect in this game is limitless!

For instance,i thought Tenshinhan would have his Buu's saga final outfit considering that we see him wearing it in the intro.But, the answer is a big no.

I don't disrespect the game. I disrespect the company. They've missed that kinda stuff for 6 games, and when they promise more....they still half-ass it.
I don't really see where you're coming from with that. It's not just the costumes, it's everything else.

[ShinMassa]

Oh, back on that RB3 title thing, UT is NOT RB3, like said before. The gameplay is different, restricted, it's not a free form fighter, it has a completely style.

If you're gonna call UT Raging Blast 3, then you might as well let RB1 be called Tenkaichi 4, and Burst Limit called Budokai 4.

You're calling it "Ultimate Tenkaichi" as its named here. In Japan, it is still Blast. The gameplay is different, but they're the ones selling it off as the sequel. It's not like the Budokai and Tenkaichi over here that we had

Alright, in Japan it has Blast in the title, but where is "Raging"?

[Titan]

I don't disrespect the game. I disrespect the company. They've missed that kinda stuff for 6 games, and when they promise more....they still half-ass it.
I don't really see where you're coming from with that. It's not just the costumes, it's everything else.

I know it is everything,but
people have been asking for at least 4 costumes every single game.
Even in Goku's corner everyone was asking for more outfits all the time.It is one of the main requests where there is consensus, that's why the guy asked about the costumes.
I never said that you disrespected the game.
I'm saying that the producers/developers disrespect the game and the fanbase.

[Rukura]

Oh, back on that RB3 title thing, UT is NOT RB3, like said before. The gameplay is different, restricted, it's not a free form fighter, it has a completely style.

If you're gonna call UT Raging Blast 3, then you might as well let RB1 be called Tenkaichi 4, and Burst Limit called Budokai 4.

You're calling it "Ultimate Tenkaichi" as its named here. In Japan, it is still Blast. The gameplay is different, but they're the ones selling it off as the sequel. It's not like the Budokai and Tenkaichi over here that we had

Alright, in Japan it has Blast in the title, but where is "Raging"?

Sparking!, Sparking! NEO, Sparking! METEOR. Same series, no numbers, different names at the end. They're changing the "Raging" to "Ultimate" because they want you to think it's the ULTIMATE "Blast" game. We get, the engine is totally different. But this is what they're making as the sequel to it.

I'm saying that the producers/developers disrespect the game and the fanbase.

I don't see any other reason for Spike STILL being the ones making Dragon Ball games as far as they have.

[ShinMassa]

Sparking!, Sparking! NEO, Sparking! METEOR. Same series, no numbers, different names at the end. They're changing the "Raging" to "Ultimate" because they want you to think it's the ULTIMATE "Blast" game. We get, the engine is totally different. But this is what they're making as the sequel to it..

If it's a sequel, it would've been Raging Blast 3. You just killed your argument.

It also pretty much helps that they're saying that this is not a sequel to the Raging Blast games.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

But you're almost writting it off because we're getting it as Tenkaichi here. It's not Tenkaichi in Japan. Just like Tenkaichi Tag Team didn't have "Sparking!" in the japanese title...and it was released how many years after what we got as BT3?

But at the end of the day does it matter, if we both agree that it's a flop 2 weeks before release? lol

Did you even read my post? I'm well aware that it isn't Tenkaichi there, I even called it Blast. lol But I'm not writing it of because of the name alone, I'm writing it off because of the game.

Sparking engine was developed. NEO built upon the Sparking engine and Meteor built upon the changes from the NEO engine. Then, even though Tag doesn't have Sparking in the title, it was built off the Meteor engine with some tweaks for allowing 4 characters on screen at once.

Similarly, Raging Blast started over again with the basic Sparking engine and reworked the gameplay to head in a new direction through the use of cloned attacks for all character but utilizing cancels and signature skills to diversify them. Raging Blast 2 built upon the previous game engine as well by adding in follow-ups...

Ultimate Blast doesn't build upon anything, it removes almost everything and starts over again from the basic engine and heads in a new direction that utilizes QTEs, a Spirit Guage, and the Defense Reaction system as well.

Then we have Zenkai Battle Royale, and I think we can all agree that that's a completely different series despite being Spike developed, sharing similar models and animations with Raging Blast, etc...

[Thanos]

How does the next game being a step backward = Greedy fans?

[SRB2Unleashed]

I'm buying this game no matter what. Just cause I have a sneaking suspicion this is Spike's way of guareenting a sequel and contract renewal as I stated before

[Rukura]

But you're almost writting it off because we're getting it as Tenkaichi here. It's not Tenkaichi in Japan. Just like Tenkaichi Tag Team didn't have "Sparking!" in the japanese title...and it was released how many years after what we got as BT3?

But at the end of the day does it matter, if we both agree that it's a flop 2 weeks before release? lol

Did you even read my post? I'm well aware that it isn't Tenkaichi there, I even called it Blast. lol But I'm not writing it of because of the name alone, I'm writing it off because of the game.

Sparking engine was developed. NEO built upon the Sparking engine and Meteor built upon the changes from the NEO engine. Then, even though Tag doesn't have Sparking in the title, it was built off the Meteor engine with some tweaks for allowing 4 characters on screen at once.

Similarly, Raging Blast started over again with the basic Sparking engine and reworked the gameplay to head in a new direction through the use of cloned attacks for all character but utilizing cancels and signature skills to diversify them. Raging Blast 2 built upon the previous game engine as well by adding in follow-ups...

Ultimate Blast doesn't build upon anything, it removes almost everything and starts over again from the basic engine and heads in a new direction that utilizes QTEs, a Spirit Guage, and the Defense Reaction system as well.

Then we have Zenkai Battle Royale, and I think we can all agree that that's a completely different series despite being Spike developed, sharing similar models and animations with Raging Blast, etc...

So many "Tenkaichi" and "Blast" written all over that i'm mixing them up, my bad lol

My point is that, while they don't share the gameplay at all, they still share the name (be it the last one and with no number in front of it). If they didn't want any connection between them, why would they keep the "Blast" there in this one?

You know what the sad part is? Zenkai Battle Royal is fun as hell...and it's made by Spike. Why we can't just get that on home console boggles my mind...

[InfernalVegito]

Ultimate Blast doesn't build upon anything, it removes almost everything and starts over again from the basic engine and heads in a new direction that utilizes QTEs, a Spirit Guage, and the Defense Reaction system as well.

Yes it does. There is still free roam, just heavily restricted. And "2D" perspective is also there just like from Budokai. For me this is not a new series of games. It just took half of the previous two engines and fused them together. That's not something new.