The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Wobbuffet]

Considering Vegeta couldn't even see Guldo moving, probably he would be able to overcome Jhess as well with by freezing the time or paralyzing him. The question is if he has enough power to actually kill him. I suppose anyone dies if you open his mouth and fire a blast?

I don't think this was ever stated in the series.
But it worked for Yusuke Urameshi.

[Fox666]

The 2nd battle is hard to tell. Cell likely got much weaker after reverting to his larva form, but there's no telling how strong he is before he starts absorbing humans. Kami did have a bad vibe about him, but unlikely that it's power related. Since he was above all of the Super Saiyans after absorbing the humans of Gingertown, I'd place him somewhere around the Super Saiyans before absorbing, so he'll still be more than enough to handle #19 in battle.

It looks like Cell was stronger than Trunks or Vegeta ever since the beggining

Chapter: 362 (DBZ 168), P2.1-2
Subject: Piccolo
Trunks: “I feel another stupendous ki…! There’s someone else!! Someone else I don’t know!!”
Kuririn: “It’s Piccolo!!!”
Note: so in other words, Trunks considers both Cell and Piccolo’s ki as ‘stupendous’.

Chapter: 364 (DBZ 170), P10.1
Vegeta: “One of those guys with mysterious, absurdly large battle powers has vanished…But the other one remains…”
Context: the vanished one is Cell, and the remaining one is Piccolo

But this really isn't surprising, like you said we should expect him to be at least at the level of a Super Saiyan to begin with.

For the 1st battle, I'd go with #19. At one point, I thought both #19 and #20 were a joke to Freeza before they absorbed energy, but now I believe they started out stronger. I don't think there's anything Freeza can do here, outside of a planet destroying attack.

I would doubt they are stronger than Freeza.

Freeza still was mentioned a few times, so I wouldn't expect him to be completed out-classed. No.19 and 20 on the other hand, they made jokes about their strength, and how they are not as strong as they were meant to be.

Besides No.20 was completely trashed by Piccolo, there was a huge difference beetween their powers. And No.20 is supposed to be much stronger than No.19, so...

Of course Freeza was clueless in many instances during his battle with Goku and the others, so it's not impossible that No.19 would end up absorbing all of his energy.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Freeza vs. Android 19

I think #19 will win this one, purely based on his energy-absorbing. I believe that Freeza is stronger than #19, but I don't think the difference is large enough for #19 to not be able to grab hold of the cocky Freeza and drain his energy.

First form cell (without absorbing human energy) vs. Android 19

Cell wins. I think Cell's stronger than Super Saiyan Trunks and more or less around Super Saiyan Vegeta, so he'd demolish #19. Even if #19 somehow managed to absorb Cell's ki, Cell could blind him with the Taiyo-ken and destroy him.

[dbgtFO]

Freeza vs. Android 19
and
First form cell (without absorbing human energy) vs. Android 19

1. Powerwise I think Freeza is a good deal stronger than #19(since I think initial #19 is as strong as King Cold), but I think #19 would still be capable of getting close enough to absorb Freeza's power and once he starts doing that, it'll be all over for Freeza.

2. Cell's power is so much greater than #19's, that it simply won't be much of a fight. He'd probably destroy #19 with his first hit.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

It looks like Cell was stronger than Trunks or Vegeta ever since the beggining[really isn't surprising, like you said we should expect him to be at least at the level of a Super Saiyan to begin with.

Didn't Cell receive a nice power-up from absorbing humans in Ginger Town? When I thought of the battle, I was thinking of Cell without absorbing any humans.

I would doubt they are stronger than Freeza.

Freeza still was mentioned a few times, so I wouldn't expect him to be completed out-classed. No.19 and 20 on the other hand, they made jokes about their strength, and how they are not as strong as they were meant to be.

I know Vegeta said they weren't as tough as he thought, but Piccolo left the possibility of their power open. He said they were either weaker than advertised, or they had simply gotten too strong. Either way, they can be stronger or weaker than Freeza here. I only recall Freeza being mentioned by Tien, Krillin, and Kami. The quote that makes him still seem relevant is Krillin's quote.

Besides No.20 was completely trashed by Piccolo, there was a huge difference beetween their powers. And No.20 is supposed to be much stronger than No.19, so...

Well, to be honest, I don't see Freeza faring any better against Piccolo by this point.

Of course Freeza was clueless in many instances during his battle with Goku and the others, so it's not impossible that No.19 would end up absorbing all of his energy.

I agree with that.

[Silkman3003]

Not a fan of this, but oh well. It's better than nothing

Syn Shenron vs Super 17(Post Ssj4 10xkamehameha)

[Piccolo Daimao]

It looks like Cell was stronger than Trunks or Vegeta ever since the beggining[really isn't surprising, like you said we should expect him to be at least at the level of a Super Saiyan to begin with.

Didn't Cell receive a nice power-up from absorbing humans in Ginger Town? When I thought of the battle, I was thinking of Cell without absorbing any humans.

Huh. I thought of Cell when he first fought Piccolo, since that was his first appearance. We'd have no way of knowing his power beforehand.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I took it too literally.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I took it too literally.

Well, it's not really your fault.

[Kaboom]

Freeza vs. Android 19

I agree with the general consensus; 19 would be at a bit of a disadvantage at first, but would quickly and easily absorb enough power to overcome Freeza.

First form cell (without absorbing human energy) vs. Android 19

As Turlast first brought up, this one's a bit of a mystery. By the time we first saw Cell in the story, he had already absorbed a full city's worth of humans. His power before that is too unknown to accurately compare to anyone else.

[ManyFaces]

End-of-DBZ Kuririn vs. Battle-with-Freeza Goku (minus SSJ/Kaio-ken)

I think that would be an interesting fight. Who do y'all think would win?

Kuririn's last official BP (Freeza arc): 75,000
Keep in mind it's been twenty-something years since then. However, he is known not to train for periods of time.

Goku's BP before turning SSJ: 3,000,000

I'd have to side with Kuririn in this fight. I can't think of any fights he partook in that would accurately depict his BP in later arcs, so it's hard for me to decide whether or not he's far above or far below that 3M BP. Although, the more I think about it, the more I'm certain he's above 3,000,000. Why? I think having a wife such as #18 would boosts anybody's BP a few million, right?

[Rocketman]

Krillin putzed around on Roshi's island for the three years before the androids and completely retired from fighting after Cell. Unless he manages to connect with a Kienzan, he's fucked.

[In Brightest Day]

Krillin got a massive power boost on Namek, did three years of intense training for the Androids and got back into fighting for the 25th Budokai.

I have Kuririn in the low millions by the Android arc, but still not quite strong enough to take on Goku on Namek. 7 years later however, after a month of training with his wife for the 25th Budokai (which isn't proven, but it isn't contradicted either & the fact that Android 18 could use the Kienzan seems to suggest she trained with him, IMO) I think Kuririn can give that Goku a pretty big beating. Goku wouldn't be defenseless against Krillin or anything. He'd put up a fight, but he'd be getting an ass kicking.

I'm not sure if I agree with Ki being able to atrophy or not, but I still think old man Krillin would be strong enough to kick Goku's ass.

[dbgtFO]

End-of-DBZ Kuririn vs. Battle-with-Freeza Goku (minus SSJ/Kaio-ken)

I can't think of any fights he partook in that would accurately depict his BP in later arcs, so it's hard for me to decide whether or not he's far above or far below that 3M BP.

You're right, we really don't have anything to go on, so I'm just going to agree with Rocketman here. Krillin trained by himself for 3 years on Roshi's island. If all he did was shadow boxing and meditating, then I don't think he got that much stronger and there's really nothing in the plot, that says he should be at this or that amount of strength either.

I think in terms of battle power he ends up at 200,000, which is a significant increase, but far from enough to fight the new enemies.
Training for a month probably only helped him to get back in shape. So in the Buu Arc he'd still be about 200,000 and 10 years of no training would obviously not increase his power, so Goku easily wins.

[Kaboom]

Yeah, the 100,000-200,000 range is the highest I can realistically see Kuririn or Tenshinhan ever getting (within the span of the series itself anyway). Reaching the god-like realm of Freeza, Piccolo, and the Saiyans might as well be pogo-jumping to the moon for them.

[Piccolo Daimao]

End-of-DBZ Kuririn vs. Battle-with-Freeza Goku (minus SSJ/Kaio-ken)

I agree with Rocketman. After Cell, Kuririn retired from fighting and, IMO, never reached a million. He wouldn't be able to connect with a Kienzan because Goku would be too fast for him.

[CatouttaHell]

Kuririn wins even if Goku can use the Kaio-ken IMO. Kuririn is implied to have far more potential than Nail so I don't see why he wouldn't eventually at least break past 50% Freeza level to be honest.

[FNF]

I have him a bit weaker than 50% Freeza in the Android arc so of course Goku gets killed in a pinch.

[Nineteen]

Freeza vs. Android 19

While I admit I'm biased in this scenario (19 is my favorite character, next to Piccolo), I honestly think the Android has this fight in the bag. I peg him at having the starting power equivalent to about 80% of Full-Power Freeza - around 100,000,000 - and his ability to automatically scan for battle power ought to also give him a major advantage in this fight.

To my mind, 19 could conceivably win it without absorbing any power at all, as he's close enough to Freeza to hurt him and has the tremendous advantage of being able to calculate his opponents battle power to an even more exact degree than Goku.

First form cell (without absorbing human energy) vs. Android 19

I have initial First-Form Cell as being between SSJ Vegeta and 18, so he ought to win more easily than Vegeta did.

End-of-DBZ Kuririn vs. Battle-with-Freeza Goku (minus SSJ/Kaio-ken)

Goku wins with ease. I have end-of-series Krillin as being no more powerful than Goku circa the fight with Captain Ginyu - about 180,000.

[CatouttaHell]

General Blue vs. Bora. Blue isn't allowed to use his paralysis ability for this fight. Who wins?