FUNimation DBZ TV Blu-ray Official On-Going Thread

[SSJMan]

But then I'm not a professional, so feel free to correct me if you are still around.

Yes I'm still around. You just need to make sure that your video card form your computer is not Modifying the picture. or put the video files into sony vegas in order to find true intent (original rgb) color information. Many video cards will fix wave form and vector problems found with dvds. So it could up convert video levels to higher contrast screens. But sony vegas would be your best bet for (True intent) screen cap. I may still be done with this place. I was at one point feeling really good about being on this forum site. Oh well.

First it was the blu ray that was to dark. now its apparently not the blu rays its the dvds that needed to be darker. What? I was merely trying to share my knowledge of blu ray luminance levels with you guys. And you guys dig and you dig until you turn it into something else. My screen caps were accurate when in came to luminance. Resolution had nothing to do with anything. Yes, I Now know I'm done with this place.

[MarcFBR]

First it was the blu ray that was to dark. now its apparently not the blu rays its the dvds that needed to be darker. What? I was merely trying to share my knowledge of blu ray luminance levels with you guys. And you guys dig and you dig until you turn it into something else. My screen caps were accurate when in came to luminance. Resolution had nothing to do with anything. Yes, I Now know I'm done with this place.

Your color levels were nowhere near correct. I went ahead and took another capture in a commercial player, with every setting turned off (including basic deinterlacing) and it looks nothing like yours. More than likely your PowerDVD has processing turned on and you haven't noticed (it's an easy mistake to make, back when I used PowerDVD I made the same mistake.)

Here's the screencap- http://db-destiny.net/batman-commercialplayer.jpg Went ahead and just did it JPG since PNG likely wouldn't be relevant for this.


And in case anyone was wondering why the native and 480 cap from before appear fuzzier. Those were taken with my primary player. I have it set to deinterlace automatically. Which is why it's blurrier.


And pointing out a problem/flaw isn't digging. If there is a very obvious flaw (such as resolution) it's possible there are others.

[MarcFBR]

YOU D*CK! All you did was Take my Screen caps and modify them yourself. I looked at them and it has the same god d@mn Compression marks that Mine had. GET A GOD D@&N LIFE!!!!!!

Don't know who deleted your post (if it was you since it was the newest post or if it was a staff memeber), but felt I'd comment on it anyways since I saw it before it was deleted. (Which turns this reply into an action packed double post!)

Thanks for confirming that you don't know what you are talking about.

The 4 different captures I took were from 3 different players.

http://db-destiny.net/batman-nativedvd.png and http://db-destiny.net/batman480.png are from MPC-HC. I took the native capture and modified it to 640x480 in Photoshop to correct for aspect ratio flaws.

I was able to get the same frame in Mulder's Mplayer for Windows (SMplayer frontend) which captured at 720x540 ( http://db-destiny.net/batman540.png )

The commercial player was TMT5 which doesn't have a frame by frame move, so I had to get as close as I can. And it's obvious it isn't the same frame ( http://db-destiny.net/batman-commercialplayer.jpg )

MPC-HC and Mulder's I attempted to frame match the DVD cap you took for the second DVD shot you put up (and believe I succeeded.) And looking at them all side by side it appears I did. TMT5 I couldn't as I mentioned.

Looking at your cap and mine from MPC-HC and Mulder's side by side I don't know how you can believe all I did was modify your capture, the quality differences are astounding. If you meant I took your BD cap and made it 'appear' to be DVD captures... well that just isn't possible. Neither of your BD caps have Terry's mouth open, and his mouth is open in all my caps.

So perhaps as a professional you can clarify why you believe I took your screencaps and modified them.

[SSJMan]

Don't know who deleted your post, but felt I'd comment on it anyways since I saw it before it was deleted. (Which turns this reply into an action packed double post!)

Thanks for confirming that you don't know what you are talking about.

The 5 different captures I took were from 3 different players.

http://db-destiny.net/batman-nativedvd.png and http://db-destiny.net/batman480.png are from MPC-HC. I took the native capture and modified it to 640x480 in Photoshop to correct for aspect ratio flaws.

I was able to get the same frame in Mulder's Mplayer for Windows (SMplayer frontend) which captured at 720x540 ( http://db-destiny.net/batman540.png )

The commercial player was TMT5 which doesn't have a frame by frame move, so I had to get as close as I can. And it's obvious it isn't the same frame ( http://db-destiny.net/batman-commercialplayer.jpg )

MPC-HC and Mulder's I attempted to frame match the DVD cap you took for the second DVD shot you put up (and believe I succeeded.) And looking at them all side by side it appears I did. TMT5 I couldn't as I mentioned.

Looking at your cap and mine from MPC-HC and Mulder's side by side I don't know how you can believe all I did was modify your capture, the quality differences are astounding. If you meant I took your BD cap and made it 'appear' to be DVD captures... well that just isn't possible. Neither of your BD caps have Terry's mouth open, and his mouth is open in all my caps.

So perhaps as a professional you can clarify why you believe I took your screencaps and modified them.

I took it down. sorry I noticed that that was comprehension in the dvd. Just so upset because I know I Take pride in video editing screen capture so on so on. I know because I turn of my video card before caping sd dvd. So its as close to the source. video cards will modify sd luminance to up convert to higher contrast screens. As for Professonal. I am a blu ray encoder. And I got a little hot headed. For that I am sorry. I have never once acted that way in my life. I accused you of doing something you did not do. Please forgive me.

[MarcFBR]

I took it down. sorry I noticed that that was comprehension in the dvd. Just so upset because I know I Take pride in video editing screen capture so on so on. I know because I turn of my video card before caping sd dvd. So its as close to the source. video cards will modify sd luminance to up convert to higher contrast screens. As for Professonal. I am a blu ray encoder. And I got a little hot headed. For that I am sorry.

And I still argue there is an issue with either your settings, or the settings of the player you use.

All 3 of the unmodified caps I took generally match color wise and that's with pure software decoding with no interference from the video card or the players (minus MPC-HC being set to deinterlace.)

Also, if you are a professional, at least use the proper words. "comprehension" clearly isn't the word you meant to use, which I assume you meant compression. If you are a professional you can at least check your words to make sure you are saying what you think you are.

[Corpsecreate]

So now that we're finished with batman...

Does anyone like my color corrected dbox? (top of page 69)

[MarcFBR]

So now that we're finished with batman...

Does anyone like my color corrected dbox?

As is tradition with these types of posts...

No.

[SSJMan]

I took it down. sorry I noticed that that was comprehension in the dvd. Just so upset because I know I Take pride in video editing screen capture so on so on. I know because I turn of my video card before caping sd dvd. So its as close to the source. video cards will modify sd luminance to up convert to higher contrast screens. As for Professonal. I am a blu ray encoder. And I got a little hot headed. For that I am sorry.

And I still argue there is an issue with either your settings, or the settings of the player you use.

All 3 of the unmodified caps I took generally match color wise and that's with pure software decoding with no interference from the video card or the players (minus MPC-HC being set to deinterlace.)

Also, if you are a professional, at least use the proper words. "comprehension" clearly isn't the word you meant to use, which I assume you meant compression. If you are a professional you can at least check your words to make sure you are saying what you think you are.

I have dyslexia i have been struggling with it all my life.

[SSJMan]

So now that we're finished with batman...

Does anyone like my color corrected dbox? (top of page 69)

Yes I did. Its funny how you can get the colors closer to the original broadcast and Toei animation could not. All though maybe they got it wrong the first time.

[Corpsecreate]

well, to be fair I have the dbox masters to work with and they dont. I think that is the main difference.

[SSJMan]

well, to be fair I have the dbox masters to work with and they dont. I think that is the main difference.

If you want to know about the real colors then if you ever get the chance, talk to a guy named TheGreenQuality on youtube. He has told me that He is buying a whole lot of the Original painted animation cells to compare color and to see which release has the most accurate colors.

[Corpsecreate]

I have talked to him before

[Paradox295]

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Hah! You put my name on it, that's awesome

But, yeah. Just because you work encoding BD's, doesn't mean you know everything about them. Especially as you claimed that most BD material is 32bits a few pages back.

Also, as Marc says. Don't use PowerDVD for screenshots. Use this: CCCP + MPC-HC. And go: File > Save Screenshot and save it as a png.

Upload it to min.us if your current image host resizes images.

It don't care.
So, why all you guys are bother this guy supposing he has rip something? really, do you care? He don't do advertisement about nothing, he don't talks about bootleg, he just want to share information, I don't think he ripped nothing, but if he did, what!?? It's just an example, nothing more. Even if that would be a rip, he would rip them from his dvd's or whatever he has, stop acting stupid.

Because if he ripped them, then he compressed it down, which means it wouldn't be an accurate screenshot of what the picture looks like.

[SSJMan]

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Hah! You put my name on it, that's awesome

But, yeah. Just because you work encoding BD's, doesn't mean you know everything about them. Especially as you claimed that most BD material is 32bits a few pages back.

Also, as Marc says. Don't use PowerDVD for screenshots. Use this: CCCP + MPC-HC. And go: File > Save Screenshot and save it as a png.

Upload it to min.us if your current image host resizes images.

It don't care.
So, why all you guys are bother this guy supposing he has rip something? really, do you care? He don't do advertisement about nothing, he don't talks about bootleg, he just want to share information, I don't think he ripped nothing, but if he did, what!?? It's just an example, nothing more. Even if that would be a rip, he would rip them from his dvd's or whatever he has, stop acting stupid.

Because if he ripped them, then he compressed it down, which means it wouldn't be an accurate screenshot of what the picture looks like.

The highest It can go is 32 bit floating point full range. But not all blu rays encode that High. I should have gone farther buy saying that it was a Pixel format that include more then just a color range. My bad. I know that sonys avchd can handle it but vc-1 can not. mpeg 2 says it can handle it but I have never been impressed. Funimation has been encoding all of there stuff in avchd. so one can only hope that they pic a high bit range.

[Pokewhiz7]

Original painted animation cells to compare color and to see which release has the most accurate colors.

Companies draw cels slightly off so that once photographed, they'll look how they want. Cels aren't good for color reference.

[mikezilla2]

link to said you tuber ?

[Tanooki Kuribo]

Original painted animation cells to compare color and to see which release has the most accurate colors.

Companies draw cels slightly off so that once photographed, they'll look how they want. Cels aren't good for color reference.

Really? Is this actually true? I've heard people say this before. I wouldn't think companies would care that much to strategically color something on a cell in anticipation for how it will end up looking after going through the production process. Unless that company is Disney or maybe even WB. But a weekly kids show? I don't know...

[Pokewhiz7]

I don't think it's that hard. They'd just have to draw it a little brighter than intended.

[ect5150]

Well, Right Stuf just told me they shipped me the set. I always pick the cheapest shipping though - so I image we'll see screen shots and videos very soon.

[MarcFBR]

CCCP + MPC-HC

I wouldn't touch CCCP with a ten foot clown pole.

Really? Is this actually true? I've heard people say this before. I wouldn't think companies would care that much to strategically color something on a cell in anticipation for how it will end up looking after going through the production process. Unless that company is Disney or maybe even WB. But a weekly kids show? I don't know...

Unless a telecine machine is carefully setup it wouldn't be accurate to the cels, and often animation cels were painted with that knowledge in the old days. And even if machines and copies were done perfectly, it still doesn't mean it'd be accurate to the original broadcast for one specific reason. Every single broadcasting point would have had different settings. Which means colors could have been completely different for every station that broadcast a show. It's a common argument in discussing the restoration of animated films. Many people who saw them in theaters complain they are overly bright on Blu-ray. This is partially because it wasn't until very recently that there were (relatively) easy to follow standards to adhere to. If you went to one theater to see Pinocchio and then went to another a town away, the film may look completely different.



And I looked at that guys Youtube. Not impressed, the few times he posts information it seems to be wrong.