Nail is kind of a dick!
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Nail is kind of a dick!
Now, I'm not sure this has been brought up before, but what was with Nail admitting to Freeza that Dende was on the way to the Earthlings with the password? He should have kept his mouth shut and bought them more time.
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Re: Nail is kind of a dick!
Maybe he thought Freeza couldn't get to him in time?
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Re: Nail is kind of a dick!
Well, it did end up with Freeza being too late to grant his wish, but Nail didn't know for sure it would. It just seems like he was uncharacteristically arrogant.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
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Yeah it would have been wiser to wait for the sky to turn black to confirm, that Dende actually succeeded.
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Maybe not a dick, but loosing his temper in the middle of the battle prove that maybe he was a fighter, but not a warrior.
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Maybe he was simply at his limit? He'd already been taking the beating for a considerable amount of time before even mentioning Dende. I'd say give the guy a break.
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Freeza is an arrogant piece of shit himself so Nail giving him a taste of his own medicine is good in my book.
But yeah I also agree with what Li'l Lemmy said.
But yeah I also agree with what Li'l Lemmy said.
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...But it's because of Nail that Freeza found out what they were doing.Sunlight & City Night wrote:Freeza is an arrogant piece of shit himself so Nail giving him a taste of his own medicine is good in my book.
But yeah I also agree with what Li'l Lemmy said.
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Re: Nail is kind of a dick!
Nail was a warrior-type so I assume being overly smart isn't in his job description but whatever.
We can also assume Nail figured they were far enough away from where Dende and the others were so Freeza would not be able to reach them in time.
Don't forget Freeza couldn't sense Ki anyway so Nail may have taken that into account too.
Freeza also didn't know that Porunga only understands wishes made in Namekian.
Nail would probably know that too.
In conclusion Nail was giving Freeza a taste of his own arrogance.
Somewhat knowing that Freeza would be very unlikely to get his wish granted.
We can also assume Nail figured they were far enough away from where Dende and the others were so Freeza would not be able to reach them in time.
Don't forget Freeza couldn't sense Ki anyway so Nail may have taken that into account too.
Freeza also didn't know that Porunga only understands wishes made in Namekian.
Nail would probably know that too.
In conclusion Nail was giving Freeza a taste of his own arrogance.
Somewhat knowing that Freeza would be very unlikely to get his wish granted.
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Surgeon during long operation is also at his limits. Would you allow him to leave a needle in a skin before putting last stitch and start chatting with nurse because he was on his last leg? Sure that was stressful situation, but Nail wasn't the first grader fighting with his classmate on the school's backyard. He is a warrior. Fighting an opponent whose limits he doesn't know. And he just tell him about their last hope? Even if he had known that there's no way Frieza would manage to get him on time it would have been just plain dumb.
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Re: Nail is kind of a dick!
Probably Nail noticed Dende's Ki reached the Earthlings, and figured that Freeza wouldn't be able to get there in time...
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On the other hand, by spilling the beans early, he did indirectly save everyone from having to deal with immortal Vegeta. Immortal Vegeta definitely would've killed everyone.
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The reason Vegeta didn't get his wish was because the Namekian elder died, which would have happened anyway. But mortal Vegeta probably would have killed Dende et al, so your point still stands. Not that Nail could have known any of this.TripleRach wrote:On the other hand, by spilling the beans early, he did indirectly save everyone from having to deal with immortal Vegeta. Immortal Vegeta definitely would've killed everyone.
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Whoops, that's right. For some reason I was thinking Freeza's arrival delayed the third wish.Fin wrote:The reason Vegeta didn't get his wish was because the Namekian elder died, which would have happened anyway. But mortal Vegeta probably would have killed Dende et al, so your point still stands. Not that Nail could have known any of this.
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Yeah, that wasn't exaclty the smartest decision on his part, but I'm thinking that it's a good thing that he did it. It forced Freeza to leave suddenly , otherwise I think he would've been killed. Without him there for Piccolo to fuse with, they all would have been killed by Freeza.
Also, the guy lost his entire race, Guru was about to die, he was getting the crap beaten out of him, even I don't know if I could have stopped myself from doing something to wipe that arrogant grin of Freeza's face at that moment.
Also, the guy lost his entire race, Guru was about to die, he was getting the crap beaten out of him, even I don't know if I could have stopped myself from doing something to wipe that arrogant grin of Freeza's face at that moment.
Re: Nail is kind of a dick!
It was a short display of pride that he'd managed to stall Freeza well enough. Plus, the fact that Freeza rushed to the dragonballs saved his life... sort of. So really it's not so bad.
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Re: Nail is kind of a dick!
Another dick move was that he didn't help the Earthlings and Vegeta against the Ginyu force. What good is it to protect the Elder if everyone else are dead, and your power isn't enough to defeat even Capt. Ginyu.
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Nail simply felt that he had lasted Freeza's beating long enough for Dende to reach the Earthlings and have them grant their wish, and he was right.
Concerning the "dick move" of him protecting the Great Elder rather than helping Vegeta and the Earthlings against the Ginyu Force, I think you have to realize that he probably feels its his job to protect his parent who could've been killed by Freeza in his absence.
Concerning the "dick move" of him protecting the Great Elder rather than helping Vegeta and the Earthlings against the Ginyu Force, I think you have to realize that he probably feels its his job to protect his parent who could've been killed by Freeza in his absence.
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What good would protecting the Elder do, when they knew that his life was going to an end? Normally in these kind of situations, the elders die for the younger generation.Piccolo Daimao wrote: Concerning the "dick move" of him protecting the Great Elder rather than helping Vegeta and the Earthlings against the Ginyu Force, I think you have to realize that he probably feels its his job to protect his parent who could've been killed by Freeza in his absence.
I understand the feelings that Nail would have had, and his reasons, but it's still a dick move to let the Earthlings (who had no obligation to help the Namekians at all, and sacrificed themselves) die due to him not being able to let go of his father (who actually didn't mind being sacrificed for his people, in fact, he sent Nail away).
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I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt, considering, he fused with Piccolo, meaning he could stall for even longer, until Goku rocked up
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