Viz "Censorship"

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:21 am

In the latest Podcast, Julian noted that the Viz Manga releases have been changing "Mr. Satan" to "Her-cule" as a censor he found particularly annoying and had stopped following the Viz Dragonball Z Manga because of it. Also, in an I'm conversation with VegettoEX, he spoke fairly severly of the Viz Manga being very poor as of late and having a lot of unnecessary changes, though he didn't cite any examples.

Though it would require possibly buying them, I was wondering if Julian (or something else with solid knowledge and ownership of the Japanese Manga) could "side by side" the two and compare them for anything besides the Mr. Satan change. While I do find that name change particularly annoying, it is my thought that it was done for continuity between the most known Funimation name. This is a stupid move, but I knew him as Her-cule first anyway so I can get over it.

I am also aware of Mr. Popo's lips being erased as well as #17's gun when he kills the old man in the Future timeline. Is there anything else, dialogue or othewise? (preferably refering to the volumes that include the "Her-cule" change.)

Thank you.

Edit x4 - The Board Censor that changes Her-cule to Mr. Satan became a bit annoying for this post...

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:56 am

Well, the continuity thing itself doesn't make sense, since Viz actually used to more or less mock FUNimation in the early days, and we have "Kuririn" in Viz and all. So them suddenly using dub names is just.. nonsense. I have smiliar bitching about "Zolo" and "Maximillion Pegasus".

They also changed 16's "Hell's Flash" to "Inferno Blast".

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:44 pm

The Inferno Blast bit doesn't seem like to big of a deal to me, since oftentimes Hell and Inferno are used interchangebly. I heard that the Zolo thing had to do more with copyright reasons than anything else though. Whether it was that the guys with the rights to Zorro threatened to sue or something else, I don't know.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:49 pm

Whether it was that the guys with the rights to Zorro threatened to sue or something else, I don't know.

But Zoro and Zorro are different. =/ His name's written in English as "Zoro", even.

Also, "Hell" is said in English in the attack, so this is a definite name change instead of alternate translation.

Dominator · Post by **Dominator** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:11 pm

Personally, I don't think Viz does such a great job at times. Goku sounds too much like a redneck during the early parts of the Saiyan saga, and sometimes they write the translation of an attack, but put for the Kikohou the Chinese name (isn't the English name, Energy Conduit, or something?).

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:42 pm

^^;;; Goku's supposed to sound like a redneck, actually. That part they got right.

Tapion · Post by **Tapion** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:53 pm

In my opinion, VIZ has begun calling Mr Satan Her-cule, in order to make him more familiar to the younger fans of the TV series.

Maleko · Post by **Maleko** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:00 pm

The first time I heard the name, Hercule, I thought Funi decided to make up a new character. How wrong I was..... @_@

I really haven't read to far into the Dragonball Z manga as of yet, but I plan to in the future sometime.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:16 pm

Honestly, for how cheap those things are selling for, and how much ass the manga kicks, I can deal with a little bit of censorship.

tarsonis · Post by **tarsonis** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:17 pm

Viz seriously needs to just release an uncut version with the original names and no edits. I'd actually consider buying it then.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:30 pm

tarsonis wrote:Viz seriously needs to just release an uncut version with the original names and no edits. I'd actually consider buying it then.

I could just imagine them releasing their own "Ultimate Uncut Perfect Editions" release, knowing Viz.

tarsonis · Post by **tarsonis** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:08 pm

But now that I think about it, wasn't the manga already given a "13 and older" rating? Or was that only for some chapters?

Tapion · Post by **Tapion** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:37 pm

Yes but I'm afraid it's back an All Ages now..

Dominator · Post by **Dominator** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:18 pm

B-kun wrote:^^;;; Goku's supposed to sound like a redneck, actually. That part they got right.

Proves me wrong, well at least it's not Tokyo Pop translating the manga, anyone read their Battle Royale? I swear, some of those insults sound so American.

Magica · Post by **Magica** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:23 pm

Come to think of it, was the shirts of the people in Hell changed to HFIL?

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:24 pm

Never mind edits, I wouldn't buy from VIZ based on principle. They used to be pretty decent for a little while, but now they're just a horrible company (probably the worst in the industry right now). They show little respect for their properties, and even less respect for the fans. They just do what's most beneficial to themselves.

Just look at their re-issue of the DragonBall tankoubon. After releasing about half the series, they suddenly decide to change the formats of the books, and screw over everybody who was collecting the original releases. Now you have the option of either having a screwed up collection, or re-buying the books all over again... Not to mention this marked their 4th release of volumes 1-3.

Then there's the whole thing where they sometimes edit Jump, but not the tankoubon. Why? Are the people who subscribe to Jump not good enough to read it uncut? And don't even get me started on their shitty DVD releases...

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:25 pm

At least Viz didn't censor out Yamcha seeing Bulma in the shower in Dragonball. That was funny and well...

You guys know what I'm about to say huh? I'm such a perv.

All of DB is rated T and all of Z is rated A, even though Z has quite a lot of cussing.

^^;;; Goku's supposed to sound like a redneck, actually. That part they got right.

Apparently, Chi-Chi and Piccolo are as well. Piccolo uses 'Demon Folk' a lot, which I, for some reason, find extremely funny.

Chi-Chi talks like a huge redneck also.

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:35 pm

Chaos Saiyajin wrote:At least Viz didn't censor out Yamcha seeing Bulma in the shower in Dragonball.

Actually, they did. It wasn't until the fans complained enough that they started releasing the books uncut with a "13 and up" label on the cover. I don't think they ever officially had an uncut DBZ release, though.

Magica · Post by **Magica** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:38 pm

If I remember right, a few years back a mother complained when she bought a Dragonball manga (back when they were comics) for her 4 year old and it had the discussion of dirty butts.

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:48 pm

Yeah, I think it was a father, though. He bought it for his kid from Toys 'R Us, and was disgusted by the content and complained. Toys 'R Us ended up pulling the series from their shelves, and that's when VIZ first started censoring the manga. (You can probably still hunt down the original newspaper article, I think Planet Namek might have had it).

After some serious complaints from fans, they eventually started putting the labels on the covers and releasing the books uncut. I don't think they ever got the Toys 'R Us market back though, which is obviously what they were trying to re-gain by censoring the books.

Now they're trying to kiss ass to the FUNimation and 4Kids dub markets by censoring Jump to be more "dub friendly". Bleh.

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