GT or Kai - Which is bigger dissapointment?

[coola]

For me, it`s Kai, almost everything go wrong with it, even before music scandal, we got rusty voice acting, poor music placement, (mostly) awful redrawn scenes, censorship, they left plothole filler, like Vegeta seeing SSJ Goku on Namek, but they cut stuff from manga, the only thing, that save Kai for being total failure, is introduce us to new excellent English dub, and that`s only thing i like in Kai.

However, while GT is better than Kai, it got it flaws too, i don`t mind Goku beat easely SSJ Gohan and Goten in his base form, since they both retire from fighting after Buu, and Goku keep training all the time, what i mind however, is how it all begins, Pilaf was evil guy, who wanted to take over the world, and even leave Goku, Bulma and Yamucha to die from heat, he shouldn`t be brought back to live, i also didn`t like a complete waste of Uub character, he was supposed to be next main hero, yet he got reduced to just another Z-Warrior.

Which series is bigger dissapointment to you? Please don`t make hate comments, and let it be cultural debate.

[penguintruth]

GT. Kai provides an alternate, shorter route through parts of a very padded show. GT is just meh.

[Perfect]

GT. Kai provides an alternate, shorter route through parts of a very padded show. GT is just meh.

I couldn't agree more. I view GT as the poorly written filler Kai was made to eradicate from Z.

Edit:

I'll watch Kai. I won't watch GT.

[Cipher]

Kai a thousand times over. GT added something to the franchise, whether you felt it lived up to its potential or not. It gets mixed reviews, but its overall design and soundtrack are often lauded among fans. Its ending is almost universally held up as a more fitting conclusion than Toriyama's. It suffers quite a bit from writing by committee (which I think has everything to do with its waffling tone and little inconsistencies), but it's bold and competently done, for the most part.

Kai on the other hand, isn't executed particularly well, and is pretty much scraping the bottom of the creative barrel. I'll grant it that it's probably an easier watch than certain portions of Z (the Namek arc, for example). But there's still no excuse for it having been executed as lazily as it was, and there's really no excuse for Kai's brand of budget director's cut at all.

GT's going to be a far more relevant part of the franchise in the future. Ten years from now, it's still going to be required, if slightly controversial, viewing for new fans. Kai's barely going to be a blip on the radar unless you really need help getting through a particularly slow part of Z.

[rereboy]

Kai a thousand times over. GT added something to the franchise, whether you felt it lived up to its potential or not. It gets mixed reviews, but its overall design and soundtrack are often lauded among fans. Its ending is almost universally held up as a more fitting conclusion than Toriyama's. It suffers quite a bit from writing by committee (which I think has everything to do with its waffling tone and little inconsistencies), but it's bold and competently done, for the most part.

Kai on the other hand, isn't executed particularly well, and is pretty much scraping the bottom of the creative barrel. I'll grant it that it's probably an easier watch than certain portions of Z (the Namek arc, for example). But there's still no excuse for it having been executed as lazily as it was, and there's really no excuse for Kai's brand of budget director's cut at all.

GT's going to be a far more relevant part of the franchise in the future. Ten years from now, it's still going to be required, if slightly controversial, viewing for new fans. Kai's barely going to be a blip on the radar unless you really need help getting through a particularly slow part of Z.

You pretty much stated my opinion.

[fps_anth]

Kai a thousand times over. GT added something to the franchise, whether you felt it lived up to its potential or not. It gets mixed reviews, but its overall design and soundtrack are often lauded among fans. Its ending is almost universally held up as a more fitting conclusion than Toriyama's. It suffers quite a bit from writing by committee (which I think has everything to do with its waffling tone and little inconsistencies), but it's bold and competently done, for the most part.

Kai on the other hand, isn't executed particularly well, and is pretty much scraping the bottom of the creative barrel. I'll grant it that it's probably an easier watch than certain portions of Z (the Namek arc, for example). But there's still no excuse for it having been executed as lazily as it was, and there's really no excuse for Kai's brand of budget director's cut at all.

GT's going to be a far more relevant part of the franchise in the future. Ten years from now, it's still going to be required, if slightly controversial, viewing for new fans. Kai's barely going to be a blip on the radar unless you really need help getting through a particularly slow part of Z.

Pretty much what I was going to say. Kai, with a little more effort (and money put into it), should have been the abridged version of DBZ everyone wanted (yeah yeah I know what you're thinking). Instead, we got a shitstorm we're still feeling the effects of (Kenji Yamamoto).

[Strongbad456]

Well I've always had a soft spot for GT since when I first started watching anime in Japanese, I started with GT. I really enjoyed Kai until it was announced there'd be no Buu arc. The no Buu arc disappointed me greatly but I gotta go with GT as the bigger disappointment. I still feel like I can watch Kai but not GT.

[Ryu-Ken Bakuhatsu]

I do enjoy it but I'm going to have to go with Kai. As much as I love the old animation, I think Kai should have been new animation from the get go- and who honestly doesn't? Kai only going up to the Cell saga was somewhat disappointing but I'm not gonna cry myself to sleep over it.

The best thing about it is FUNimation's new dub. As someone who is first and foremost a fan of the Japanese version and someone who also genuinely likes FUNimation's current cast, the new dub is great on so many levels. I do enjoy the Japanese version of Kai but the performances don't stick in my mind anywhere near as much as they do with Z though. Oh, and I do like the colours

GT, I love despite all its flaws. I just get an air of positivity from it- it makes me happy, what more can I ask for?
I often wonder why people dislike it so much. Sure, I know and understand all the reasons why people see it as being a bad series, but I tend to ignore the problems because at the end of it all it's just a kids show! I think sometimes people forget that. Although, the Super #17 arc does leave me scratching my head a lot, I must admit! As for the music- it was amazing.

[AgitoZ]

I'd go with GT, if only because it was an all new series and had the most potential out of the two.

[Rocketman]

Kai wasn't a disappointment at all, so GT loses by default.

[TheBlackPaladin]

GT. It's not without it's moments, certainly, but Kai gave me my favorite English dub of anything Dragon Ball related.

[Savage68]

I would definitely have to go with Kai. I went into that show with such hope, because I had dreamed of a filler-less edit of Dragon Ball Z for so long... but then I saw how it actually turned out. And the voices I liked had changed, and the music I liked had changed, and then there was that whole Yamamoto fiasco, and the exclusion of Dragon Ball's longest arc... its final arc.

GT's a show that I was indifferent towards for a while until I warmed up to it these past few years, and unlike Kai, it actually meshes with the Dragon Ball / Z series. Kai's story doesn't mesh with the anime or the manga.

[thedarkuniter]

In my opinion, GT is much bigger failure than Kai. A lot of the story in GT didn't make much sense, hell everything in GT didn't make much sense, but I like it as a guilty pleasure. At least with Kai, we get a nice alternate cut of Z for those who don't want to watch all the filler in Z and have a great English dub from Funimation to boot.

[kemuri07]

GT. Kai renewed my interest in DBZ. And while it doesn't add much to the franchise in terms of content, it more than makes up for that with a much more streamlined story and a fantastic English dub.

GT? meh all the way through.

[Cipher]

GT. It's not without it's moments, certainly, but Kai gave me my favorite English dub of anything Dragon Ball related.

Is it even fair to include dubs in this discussion? The fact that one of its licensees used it as an opportunity to improve upon previous dubbing is pretty tangential to the actual intent and execution of Kai.

[Perfect]

GT. It's not without it's moments, certainly, but Kai gave me my favorite English dub of anything Dragon Ball related.

Is it even fair to include dubs in this discussion? The fact that one of its licensees used it as an opportunity to improve upon previous dubbing is pretty tangential to the actual intent and execution of Kai.

The title pretty much just says, what was a bigger disappointment to "you". So I don't see why any content from Kai can't contribute to the opinion of what was a greater disappointment.

[kemuri07]

Is it even fair to include dubs in this discussion? The fact that one of its licensees used it as an opportunity to improve upon previous dubbing is pretty tangential to the actual intent and execution of Kai.[

Can't agree with you there. An improved dub makes all the difference (the same can be said of a poor one as well), and helps quite a bit in making Kai an entertaining series.


So yeah, I think it's fine to include dubs in this discussion.

[MajinVejitaXV]

Kai. It was the anime equivalent of seeing your favorite 80's band reunite and tour. It's the songs you love, maybe with some slight changes in the arrangement and a member being replaced, but it just doesn't feel right. The vocalist can't hit the notes he used to, the guitarist can't play as well because of his alcohol problem, and the (new) bass player is just sorta on auto-pilot and can't sing the backing harmonies to save his ass.

...so yeah, Kai was basically the Van Halen reunion tour of 07-08. ;p

GT, on the other hand was like the album said band did in the 80's that was the weakest in their catalog, but you still enjoyed a song or two.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Is it even fair to include dubs in this discussion? The fact that one of its licensees used it as an opportunity to improve upon previous dubbing is pretty tangential to the actual intent and execution of Kai.

It really has to be, as Kai loses almost by default otherwise. Filler cuts and a great new soundtrack are a one-two punch, but they don't outdo aging actors, bad-looking scenes being amplified and a remastering method that's soon to be surpassed.

I don't know if I can really answer this question; GT only has select bright spots out of 64 episodes, while Kai has that delicate balance I mentioned above that only the new Funi dub tips in favor of its existence. As a Japanese product it's a joke and an artistically lacking cash grab, aside from saving shelf space, what with fewer episodes and discs.

[Gonstead]

I'm gonna have to go with Kai on this.

Kai had great potential to fix the flaws that the original Z had such as filler and what-not. It was also a chance to re-tell the story in a new style of animation rather than just touching up on the old animation. When I see the style of animation used in stuff such as Dragon Ball Heroes and those cutscenes in Ultimate Tenkaichi, I always wonder "Why wasn't this used for Kai?". Heck, Kai had the potential to perhaps improve even the Manga if done right.

I'll admit, I like Kai for what it's worth and the improved English dub, but so much was possible for the series that it's just disappointing for me.

GT, while despite it's flaws still has a place in my heart and you can't really beat the ending at the end of the series.