FUNimation DBZ TV Blu-ray Official On-Going Thread

Ashura · Post by **Ashura** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:12 pm

Marc, I'm curious what your normal screenshot setup is? This is in disregards to the conversation at hand, I'm just personally wondering. I have my own thoughts on the matter, but it's always interesting to see how other people take their shots.

Also, I think at this point you're just sort of beating a dead horse with SSJMan instead of actually being constructive. You've both explained your points of view two or three times, and I think you guys should probably agree to disagree since neither side is budging. I think it's somewhat derailing the thread to be honest, and I think anyone who's followed the thread so far can tell what's right or wrong on the subjects you guys have discussed. I don't think there needs to be anymore 'proof' posted from either side. Just my two cents, though.

SSJMan · Post by **SSJMan** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:26 pm

Ashura wrote:Marc, I'm curious what your normal screenshot setup is? This is in disregards to the conversation at hand, I'm just personally wondering. I have my own thoughts on the matter, but it's always interesting to see how other people take their shots.

Also, I think at this point you're just sort of beating a dead horse with SSJMan instead of actually being constructive. You've both explained your points of view two or three times, and I think you guys should probably agree to disagree since neither side is budging. I think it's somewhat derailing the thread to be honest, and I think anyone who's followed the thread so far can tell what's right or wrong on the subjects you guys have discussed. I don't think there needs to be anymore 'proof' posted from either side. Just my two cents, though.

I agree. I can take the screen caps like everyone else. I was just trying to show something from a technical standpoint. I'm sorry if I confused anyone. The end forever. about this. I agree to disagree.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:32 pm

Ashura wrote:Marc, I'm curious what your normal screenshot setup is? This is in disregards to the conversation at hand, I'm just personally wondering. I have my own thoughts on the matter, but it's always interesting to see how other people take their shots.

Also, I think at this point you're just sort of beating a dead horse with SSJMan instead of actually being constructive. You've both explained your points of view two or three times, and I think you guys should probably agree to disagree since neither side is budging. I think it's somewhat derailing the thread to be honest, and I think anyone who's followed the thread so far can tell what's right or wrong on the subjects you guys have discussed. I don't think there needs to be anymore 'proof' posted from either side. Just my two cents, though.

It's mostly frustrating in that, his explanations don't actually completely make sense, but fair enough.

As for my screenshot methods. First I install my preferred codec and video playing setup. Tweaking MPEG2 stuff is often the biggest pain because MPEG2 is so old that effort isn't often spent on the codec as much as H264 stuff. PDVD11 is generally the best MPEG2 codec, but it has issues that often leads to me not using it (it often will try and deinterlace progressive frames, which leads to a slight blur on the picture.) Then I set up MPC-HC the way I like it, and setting my specific keybind for screen capture and saves to a specific folder in a PNG file. That way if I need a cap, I just tap my key and I'm good.

Generally whenever anyone wants a better codec setting I'll work with them in the chatroom or via instant messaging to customize settings to their PC hardware. Mac and Linux require differences due to not having Directshow.

The secret is in getting the codecs setup properly.

I have various backup methods which allow me to double check things, but that is my primary method.

Post by **TripleRach** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:18 pm

SSJMan, it's common sense that you should be ready to defend statements you make. Even if you are a professional, that doesn't mean you're the only knowledgeable person here. So don't play the victim card (which is against the rules) when someone questions you or disagrees with you.

However, some of you are being a bit antagonistic towards him, and that needs to stop. Calling out something questionable is fine, but constantly nitpicking someone's posts is not. Lay off of him, or I might have to start warning accounts.

As others have said, this is a big, mostly off-topic derailment, and I hope it's over now. If and when someone does post a questionable DBZ Blu-ray screencap, then you can explain what's wrong with it and ask them (politely) to try again with different settings. Until then, we're done with Batman.

Ashura · Post by **Ashura** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:56 pm

Also, FWIW... you're both being absolutely honest about your picture results.

Video in Vegas, with VLC up there w/ 'Use hardware YUV->RGB conversion' checked. Shows lighter.

http://www.twistygadget.com/stuff/batma ... yond01.png

Video in Vegas, with VLC up there w/ 'Use hardware YUV->RGB conversion' unchecked. VLC is darker.

http://www.twistygadget.com/stuff/batma ... yond02.png

Video in Virtualdub. Shows darker.

http://www.twistygadget.com/stuff/batma ... yond03.png

VLC snapshot, default video renderer w/ 'Use hardware YUV->RGB conversion' unchecked.

VLC snapshot, default video renderer w/ 'Use hardware YUV->RGB conversion' checked. Yes, both snapshots are identical, despite looking different in-player. By the way, the 'Accelerated Video Output' checkbox doesn't affect the picture at all in VLC. The image difference is completely due to hardware YUV->RGB conversion

Snapshot from Vegas' snapshot feature, which, by the way, I don't generally use -- and I'm a heavy Vegas user -- because the way it handles PNGs is bad. As good a track editor as it is, it handles scaling of pngs especially badly. We're talking about colour values though so it's okay I think.

If you want to read more about YUV to RGB conversion: http://www.fourcc.org/fccyvrgb.php

EDIT: Removing some embeds since it broke the forum.
EDIT2: If people want to snoop, the frame is 42,552 and it's 23:39 into the movie. I put this up here in case I have to ever dig this up again.
EDIT3: Also, I decrypted my own DVD. This is the pack-in with the Bluray, which I'm pretty sure is just a reissue of the uncut DVD.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:20 pm

Ashura wrote:Video in Vegas, with VLC up there w/ 'Use hardware YUV->RGB conversion' checked. Shows lighter.

http://www.twistygadget.com/stuff/batma ... yond01.png

Video in Vegas, with VLC up there w/ 'Use hardware YUV->RGB conversion' unchecked. VLC is darker.

http://www.twistygadget.com/stuff/batma ... yond02.png

Video in Virtualdub. Shows darker.

http://www.twistygadget.com/stuff/batma ... yond03.png

I dunno about you guys, but it looks to me to be an issue where the player - using one settings or another - just isn't displaying the proper luminance levels (0-255 PC levels versus 16-235 TV levels).

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:46 pm

ect5150 wrote:I dunno about you guys, but it looks to me to be an issue where the player - using one settings or another - just isn't displaying the proper luminance levels (0-255 PC levels versus 16-235 TV levels).

Yes, but as most professionals would tell you, you'd set the player (if it allows customization that deep) to use the following on a computer.

Standard Input levels- Nearly all videos are setup to use this specific input level. I can only think of two types that don't. Motion JPEG and (I think) FRAPS video recording, which are Full Range.

Full Output levels- This is the output setting for digital computer monitors. Analog TVs or projectors would use a slightly different setting.

Ashura appears to have his stuff set properly, but it appears SSJMan has somehow set his PC to have EVERYTHING with either a Full Range input, or a TV Output. I've never seen Full Range input set for EVERYTHING on a system (his seems specific to MPEG2) unless it is specifically set that way by the user, which is one reason it never even occurred to me to look at that (I've seen the TV Output set on video players before, but that is a pretty obvious thing to notice and fix). Guy says he's a professional so I didn't check that sort of stuff, instead sticking to trying to figure out if there was some issue with my setup.

Ashura · Post by **Ashura** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:21 am

ect5150 wrote:I dunno about you guys, but it looks to me to be an issue where the player - using one settings or another - just isn't displaying the proper luminance levels (0-255 PC levels versus 16-235 TV levels).

When dealing in MPEG2, Vegas makes you work in Studio RGB/16-235, I guess for visual safety.

Anyway, I mainly posted those comparisons to show no one was lying about the colors during the discussion. Through their methods/chosen standards, this is what they look like. I figure now we can move forward from being a Batman Beyond forum back to being a Dragon Ball one.

BlazingFiddlesticks · Post by **BlazingFiddlesticks** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:01 am

A notch off topic, but I was looking up reviews on the Star Wars Blu-Rays, and found Blu-Ray.com's anime section. Check the first paragraph of this one. I chuckled.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Dragon-Ba ... 75/#Review

Puto · Post by **Puto** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:57 am

This might be of interest to those of you arguing colors. Or maybe not.

I was given access to a transport stream of today's Animax airing of another show, and it had a commercial for DBZ in there. Took some screenshots for the sake of color comparison. These screenshots have not been tampered with in any way (I didn't even deinterlace them); they were taken straight through mplayer and only put through a PNG optimiser to reduce size. The footage itself was also not tampered with; it is a direct cap from the Animax Japan MPEG-2 video stream:

http://web.ist.utl.pt/ist157392/shot0011.png
http://web.ist.utl.pt/ist157392/shot0012.png
http://web.ist.utl.pt/ist157392/shot0013.png
http://web.ist.utl.pt/ist157392/shot0014.png
http://web.ist.utl.pt/ist157392/shot0015.png
http://web.ist.utl.pt/ist157392/shot0016.png
http://web.ist.utl.pt/ist157392/shot0017.png
http://web.ist.utl.pt/ist157392/shot0018.png
http://web.ist.utl.pt/ist157392/shot0019.png

Make of that what you will.

DanielGClapp · Post by **DanielGClapp** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:01 am

I might be wrong, but those look dark to me.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:31 pm

DanielGClapp wrote:I might be wrong, but those look dark to me.

The coloring does look more like the Funi singles though.

On another note, my box set is now three cities away (a 1 hour drive for me, 24 hour drive for the USPS). I'm hoping my blurays will be here tomorrow now. We will ahve screen shots soon. I'll rip a good number as soon as I can if no one else does before me.

DanielGClapp · Post by **DanielGClapp** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:18 pm

ect5150 wrote:We will ahve screen shots soon. I'll rip a good number as soon as I can if no one else does before me.

Good! I've been waiting for proper screen shots for a while. If you could, could you compare them to Dragon Box shots?

funrush · Post by **funrush** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:51 pm

Someone needs to post clips in both Japanese and English so we can (remotely) tell if the audio is better. Mainly I'm looking for a Japanese clip since they said something about improving the Japanese audio.

Pokewhiz7 · Post by **Pokewhiz7** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:56 pm

I was Blu-Ray.com and when I typed in Dragon Ball Z Level 1.1 and hovered over it I saw that they gave it 4.5/5. The review itself is not up yet, but we can still see what it will get. I can't post an image because I'm on a library computer atm.

EDIT: Noticed this on the description:
Raditz, Gokuus brother has traveled to Earth to find out why Gokuu has not yet destroyed the planet as he was supposed to do. But while as a baby, Gokuu was dropped (down a huge cliff) and forgot his real mission. Kakarot, Gokuus real name battles his brother Raditzs along with former enemy Piccolo and friend Kurilin. Meanwhile, Gohan; Gokuus son reveals his hidden powers against Raditz and nearly kills Raditz. However Gokuu is killed in the end, but Raditz is eventually defeated by Piccolo. Before he dies, he tells them that two evil-saiyans even more powerful then he is, are on route to Earth. The remaining fighters, Kurilin, Yamcha, Tein, and Chatsu begin their training to battle the evil saiyans, while Piccolo takes off with Gohan to train him in using his new found power.

dragonpiece · Post by **dragonpiece** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:43 pm

So does anyone have their set yet? We need some pictures and info!

SSJMan · Post by **SSJMan** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:46 pm

Just got Level 1.1 In the mail. I will be posting pics with in 30 min

Update. In 45 min

funrush · Post by **funrush** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:55 pm

Yessssss. Could you please take my request? Also, I really need to get a BD player soon.

SSJMan · Post by **SSJMan** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:56 pm

funrush wrote:Yessssss. Could you please take my request? Also, I really need to get a BD player soon.

Yes

Raykugen · Post by **Raykugen** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:02 pm

Information about the titles, credits (if they re in english or japanese), titles in openings and endings, eyescatches, advance of the next episode... If you could xD

Kanzenshuu

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