Dragon box with grain remove?

[ssj5goku]

How can I make my dragon box dvd to look like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKSAjf7USC4 on my HD TV when I put the dragon box on my ps3 and play it on my led HD tv it look horrible it was like watching VHS.

[Rukura]

To make it look like the video you linked to, you just need to stretch it to widescreen, because that's literally all he did.

Although, if what you want is fake hd in widescreen with grain removed, i question why you have the Dragon Boxes in the first place since you're almost asking for the orange bricks...

I also wonder why a Dragon Ball fan since 95 (which i am as well) is bothered by grain watching something as clear as Dragon Box

[ect5150]

How can I make my dragon box dvd to look like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKSAjf7USC4 on my HD TV when I put the dragon box on my ps3 and play it on my led HD tv it look horrible it was like watching VHS.

That video has most likely had some grain removal applied - notice how it doesn't look very sharp if you tell it to stream a 720P version.

There are a lot of things you can do to get rid of grain, but that video appears to have ripped the DVD to the harddrive - then re-encoded the video with a boost in contrast and lots of smoothing/grain removal. There are various techniques to do it - all yield different results.

I used to have some videos of my own uploaded to YouTube, but the account got suspended. Makes me wonder how these accounts stay open when they have FAR many more clips uploaded. I'm going to have to upload files elsewhere I guess.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Although, if what you want is fake hd in widescreen with grain removed, i question why you have the Dragon Boxes in the first place since you're almost asking for the orange bricks...

He's asking for Kai without the superfluous edits, first off. "Oh look, grain removal, stretching, 720p and poof!"

Question; is it an issue with the PS3's upscaling, or just the size of the TV amplifying the visibility of the grain (Probably made even worse by widescreen)? I don't think you can do much about either.

For what it's worth, some of us here us VLC media player on PC to "correct" the DBox video.

[Rukura]

He's asking for Kai without the superfluous edits, first off. "Oh look, grain removal, stretching, 720p and poof!"

He's pointing to a video that was literally just stretched to widescreen (maybe filtered along the way, but not according the user who uploaded it) and rendered in an upscaled video file, and says he doesn't want grain...uhm.....sure...

Question; is it an issue with the PS3's upscaling, or just the size of the TV amplifying the visibility of the grain (Probably made even worse by widescreen)? I don't think you can do much about either.

Small stuff becomes bigger stuff when it's being upscaled to an hd tv. Seems like it's all there is to it (and all that he's complaining about.......also not understanding how the show was physically made and stuff)

[Gaffer Tape]

I'm sorry, but why would you want your Dragon Box to look like that? It looks terrible. It's all stretched out and all the detail is scrubbed away.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

He's asking for Kai without the superfluous edits, first off. "Oh look, grain removal, stretching, 720p and poof!"

He's pointing to a video that was literally just stretched to widescreen (maybe filtered along the way, but not according the user who uploaded it) and rendered in an upscaled video file, and says he doesn't want grain...uhm.....sure...

Only pointing out how that video really reminds me of Kai. Maybe I'm making assumptions.

Small stuff becomes bigger stuff when it's being upscaled to an hd tv. Seems like it's all there is to it (and all that he's complaining about.......also not understanding how the show was physically made and stuff)

I know that the grain is more visible on higher res computers/TVs, as I'm seen it myself; that's what I thought he was talking about. As for how the show was actually made... well, that is a puzzler; I'm not sure how you buy the Dragon Box without knowing about the whole "Touch ups that actually do respect the integrity and age of the film" thing in some capacity.

[funrush]

Well, you could do a small blur on it, only to the point where very little detail is lost, however. Really, I don't exactly know. My only real experience with this kind of stuff is sharpening the Kai DVD's in VLC to make them look sharper and more like the DBoxes.

[Rukura]

I know that the grain is more visible on higher res computers/TVs, as I'm seen it myself; that's what I thought he was talking about. As for how the show was actually made... well, that is a puzzler; I'm not sure how you buy the Dragon Box without knowing about the whole "Touch ups that actually do respect the integrity and age of the film" thing in some capacity.

...And yet he's asking for no grain, which EVEN the upcoming Blu-Rays will have lol. (Starting to feel like we're talking about the same thing after all )

[funrush]

You could go into the options on your TV and turn down the sharpness.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

I know that the grain is more visible on higher res computers/TVs, as I'm seen it myself; that's what I thought he was talking about. As for how the show was actually made... well, that is a puzzler; I'm not sure how you buy the Dragon Box without knowing about the whole "Touch ups that actually do respect the integrity and age of the film" thing in some capacity.

...And yet he's asking for no grain, which EVEN the upcoming Blu-Rays will have lol. (Starting to feel like we're talking about the same thing after all )

The only thing choking us up that I saw was that I was comparing it to Kai. I used VLC to stretch DBox 5 to the ever-classic 1366 x 768 on my laptop a couple weeks ago, and you most definitely see grain. If anything, I'm amazed at how quickly I accepted said grain, at least in the DBox's oh-so-gently brushed version of it, as part of the vintage look of the picture.

But that same vintage look seems to be the issue ssj5's issue; I wouldn't say it looks quite like VHS, but the DBox's were never the sets to go for if the show's age is an issue for you.

[DanielGClapp]

Why would you want your DBoxes to look like that? The whole purpose of a DBox is to preserve the original qualities of DBZ. Anyway, I have noticed that my DBoxes look horrid in HD, so instead, I watch them on my 15" full screen TV and they are flawless! The grain is almost non-existent, which brings me to my next point: I do not suggest watching the DBoxes on VLC. Even if it is a way to correct the colors, it is extremely grainy. I suggest getting a fullscreen TV and just a regular DVD player. The footage will look great! If you want to watch DBZ in HD, then go with the levels that Funimation has going, however, there will still be grain.

[gallagtor]

I think a lot of the "grain" people bitch about is really just compression artifacts from the DVDs.

[VegettoEX]

I think a lot of the "grain" people bitch about is really just compression artifacts from the DVDs.

I doubt that. With the bitrate the way it is combined with modern compression techniques combined with the good source material in the first place, there aren't a whole lot of honest-to-goodness compression artifacts going on with the Dragon Box sets.

I think it's just young, punk kids that watch modern shows and expect everything old to somehow magically look the same way.

[DanielGClapp]

I think a lot of the "grain" people bitch about is really just compression artifacts from the DVDs.

I doubt that. With the bitrate the way it is combined with modern compression techniques combined with the good source material in the first place, there aren't a whole lot of honest-to-goodness compression artifacts going on with the Dragon Box sets.

I think it's just young, punk kids that watch modern shows and expect everything old to somehow magically look the same way.

Well, like I said, when I watch my DBoxes on my fullscreen TV, they look perfect! The lines are crisp and the detail is clear as can be! Not only that, but the grain is.... well, let's just say you have to get pretty close for it to be noticeable. Not only that, but I have the ability to adjust the color and brightness settings to my choosing (I personally haven't messed with this..... what is the color difference between Jap and US footage again?). Don't get me wrong, I don't mind grain (I actually like the authentic feel it gives DBZ), and I love VLC, but whenever I watch my Dragon Boxes on VLC, it almost degrades the quality!

[Krycek7o2]

I think it's just young, punk kids that watch modern shows and expect everything old to somehow magically look the same way.

I agree completely with this. Which is sad because sometimes studios get lazy and we get Predator The DNR Edition on Blu-ray...

Well, like I said, when I watch my DBoxes on my fullscreen TV, they look perfect! The lines are crisp and the detail is clear as can be! Not only that, but the grain is.... well, let's just say you have to get pretty close for it to be noticeable. Not only that, but I have the ability to adjust the color and brightness settings to my choosing (I personally haven't messed with this..... what is the color difference between Jap and US footage again?). Don't get me wrong, I don't mind grain (I actually like the authentic feel it gives DBZ), and I love VLC, but whenever I watch my Dragon Boxes on VLC, it almost degrades the quality!

If you have a good upconverter, these do look nice on an HDTV, but I'm purist and tend to keep everything native. Which is why I ended up making a retro station. A CRT 27in Sony Trinitron along with my Oppo DVD Player and a Pioneer Elite Laserdisc player. Everything I throw at these players looks fantastic. I'm searching for a good VHS player to add to it. Along with these are all my old consoles, NES/SNES/N64/GC/Xbox/PS/1/2/Dreamcast hooked up to the CRT.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Next time I'm home I'll have to pop one of my DBoxes in and see what happens. I have a VHS-DVD dual player/converter with HDMI output with the "I really don't need-blu-ray right now, thank you" sort of upscaler, and recall them looking great for what they are. It could be the player?

VHS tapes don't get much from the HDMI, though. Not that that's unexpected.

[Ringworm128]

Have you tried sitting further back from the screen? Because I watch the DBOXs on a HDTV via PS3 like you and when I sit back the grain becomes less noticeable.