FUNimation DBZ TV Blu-ray Official On-Going Thread

[jjgp1112]

You're a little bit confused. The Dragon Box master is relatively new. Its *source* is what's old as dirt. Assuming the DBox masters are only in 480p, then in order to do a proper Blu-Ray release, you'd have to scan the source in 1080p and remaster it from scratch.

[enapace]

You're a little bit confused. The Dragon Box master is relatively new. Its *source* is what's old as dirt. Assuming the DBox masters are in 480p, then in order to do a proper Blu-Ray release, you'd have to scan the source in 1080p and remaster it from scratch.

Yeah what I was saying you probably would get a slightly better release than these blu-rays as you would be only do a remastering of a remaster of the 16mm instead of a remastering of a tape from the 16mm

[jjgp1112]

Oh don't worry, I wasn't addressing you. I have a bad habit of not using the quote button. That was aimed at rereboy.

[DanielGClapp]

Alright, since I seem to be pretty misinformed about the deal between Funi and Toei, I will ask: Wasn't part of the deal to let Funi use the DBox masters solely for the DBox and nothing else? That would be the obvious reason for why they're having to use their own masters.

[rereboy]

I have got to disagree with that the Dragon Box being on DVD is not a con really. Blu-ray isn't really a better format the difference is of how the data is contained thats all really and how they are read it like comparing cd to dvd. I think it will be a long time till DVD die properly because even now most things which are shown are 720p at most on TV. DVD are a brilliant media to store data on they always will be they are cheap to manufacture. It will be a very long time before DVDS die completely. Plus there is only so far you can take a old show like this it will never look as good on Blu-rays as say Naruto or a newer anime thats a fact.

Bluray is superior in all aspects. It allows much better quality in video and audio and, as storing device, its much more efficient because it has much more storing space. The fact that allows this being due to the compression method or not has nothing to do with the simple fact that its superior because of it.

Besides that, I believe it has been proven that its even more durable and scratch resistant than the DVD. Therefore it also has more physical longevity.

For now, the only true advantage of the DVD is perhaps the fact that its cheaper to produce. When that changes, they will disappear quickly. And even with that advantage, Bluray is gaining on it because people know it has better quality than the DVD and even the channels that transmit in 720p on TV.

[jjgp1112]

Alright, since I seem to be pretty misinformed about the deal between Funi and Toei, I will ask: Wasn't part of the deal to let Funi use the DBox masters solely for the DBox and nothing else? That would be the obvious reason for why they're having to use their own masters.

We don't know a single thing about their deal with Toei

[rereboy]

You're a little bit confused. The Dragon Box master is relatively new. Its *source* is what's old as dirt. Assuming the DBox masters are only in 480p, then in order to do a proper Blu-Ray release, you'd have to scan the source in 1080p and remaster it from scratch.

Ok, I'll assume that I don't actually know if putting them on Bluray would be a problem or not. Like I said, I don't pretend to know more than I actually know.

Still, I think its a con nonetheless since the Bluray is the current emerging format. If someone wants to buy DBZ, and doesn't want multiple releases of it, given the possibility of DVD could be dead in the near future, wouldn't it make sense for the Dragon Box DVD format to constitute a con in the buying choice? I believe so. Its very relevant.

[DanielGClapp]

We don't know a single thing about their deal with Toei

Oh dear lord I've been reading nothing but rumors? *cries*

[enapace]

I have got to disagree with that the Dragon Box being on DVD is not a con really. Blu-ray isn't really a better format the difference is of how the data is contained thats all really and how they are read it like comparing cd to dvd. I think it will be a long time till DVD die properly because even now most things which are shown are 720p at most on TV. DVD are a brilliant media to store data on they always will be they are cheap to manufacture. It will be a very long time before DVDS die completely. Plus there is only so far you can take a old show like this it will never look as good on Blu-rays as say Naruto or a newer anime thats a fact.

Bluray is superior in all aspects. It allows much better quality in video and audio and, as storing device, its much more efficient because it has much more storing space. The fact that allows this being due to the compression method or not has nothing to do with the simple fact that its superior because of it.

Besides that, I believe it has been proven that its even more durable and scratch resistant than the DVD. Therefore it also has more physical longevity.

For now, the only true advantage of the DVD is perhaps the fact that its cheaper to produce. When that changes, they will disappear quickly. And even with that advantage, Bluray is gaining on it because people know it has better quality than the DVD and even the channels that transmit in 720p on TV.

Actually at the moment its not much more efficient because you can't burn them very quick even in industry it takes quite a bit longer to make them. I admit they are more scratch resistant but that peoples fault not the discs they don't get themselves scratched people do that. Until video quality becomes much greater than it is 1080p is not really that brilliant I know loads that have said it. Take the star wars box set that was properly remastered onto Blu-ray the quality is slightly better but not by much. Anyone with a good sound system and amplifier will get a better sound quality whatever medium you use. Much better storage would be a tv with a usb linked to a hardrive you would get the same quality but much less size.

[AgitoZ]

Still, I think its a con nonetheless since the Bluray is the current emerging format. If someone wants to buy DBZ, and doesn't want multiple releases of it, given the possibility of DVD could be dead in the near future, wouldn't it make sense for the Dragon Box DVD format to constitute a con in the buying choice? I believe so. Its very relevant.

It's not as if Blu-Ray players can play DVDs as well and up-convert them.

[rereboy]

Well, in my (modern) TV and in my sound system I'm constantly blown away on how much better the Blurays I own are compared to the DVDs I own, and even compared to the HD channels on my TV. So, in my personal experience, its very different indeed. IMO, anyway.

But, like I said, its not as cheap as DVDs just yet, and as you said, it also takes longer to produce them. When that changes...

[enapace]

Still, I think its a con nonetheless since the Bluray is the current emerging format. If someone wants to buy DBZ, and doesn't want multiple releases of it, given the possibility of DVD could be dead in the near future, wouldn't it make sense for the Dragon Box DVD format to constitute a con in the buying choice? I believe so. Its very relevant.

It's not as if Blu-Ray players can play DVDs as well and up-convert them.

You can correct me here but i think all Blu-rays are also dvd players.

[enapace]

Well, in my (modern) TV and in my sound system I'm constantly blown away on how much better the Blurays I own are compared to the DVDs I own, and even compared to the HD channels on my TV. So, in my personal experience, its very different indeed. IMO, anyway.

But, like I said, its not as cheap as DVDs just yet, and as you said, it also takes longer to produce them. When that changes...

I have a pc gaming system that plays well above 1080p that is the sort of quality i am on about to really justify getting rid of DVDs. It will be a hell of a while to change how they are produced because of how the laser works I won't go into detail but for the laser to be efficient it has to go at that speed. I read somewhere .25 increase in of burning would decrease efficient by 39%

[DanielGClapp]

You can correct me here but i think all Blu-rays are also dvd players.

He was being sarcastic. He was making a point that blu-ray players have the ability to play, as well as upgrade the quality of the DVD's.

[Ashura]

...except that, uh, the masters TOEi gave them for the dragon boxes are probably standard-definition? We don't even know if the final restored product was rendered in HD on the pony canyon computers, or however they restored the film. Putting standard-definition movies on blu-ray would be mostly arbitrary.

If you read the Kai stuff over on Kanzentai, they mention for Kai that they did a rough-cut in standard def, and then had specific sections of the show scanned in HD. Most likely this means that the Dragon Box masters are in standard def and that they never scanned everything in HD. If they had, they would've never needed to work in SD or scan specific portions of the video to create Kai.

[enapace]

You can correct me here but i think all Blu-rays are also dvd players.

He was being sarcastic. He was making a point that blu-ray players have the ability to play, as well as upgrade the quality of the DVD's.

oops my bad sorry guys.

[Soul]

Aha! Seeing BDub's review posted is nice, dude has been getting good at informing people of facts he can prove for the most part.
In terms of BD vs. DVD? Yeah, you're gonna get to see pieces of the footage you wouldn't normally and in Z's case? The grain is a bit more noticable, but hey. All 3 audio tracks in TrueHD and the Japanese audio being on par with what was on the DBoxes? You've finally got a DBZ release that could rival the DBoxes in general. I've always a fan of some of the colors in the DBoxes but I'm very inpressed with FUNi's "restoration" of the film they have. It's not a Criterion release...but they're trying yo.

[rereboy]

Still, I think its a con nonetheless since the Bluray is the current emerging format. If someone wants to buy DBZ, and doesn't want multiple releases of it, given the possibility of DVD could be dead in the near future, wouldn't it make sense for the Dragon Box DVD format to constitute a con in the buying choice? I believe so. Its very relevant.

It's not as if Blu-Ray players can play DVDs as well and up-convert them.

Oh, good, the buyer would get a dying format (if DVDs actually "die" in the near future) but he would still be able to play them. Don't get me wrong, its great that he can still play it and watch it, but wouldn't it just be better to have in the non-dead format? Isn't that very relevant when buying them? Perhaps more than having the title cards or not for most people?

And the upscale made by the players doesn't even compare to proper HD. My PS3 does upscale of my DVDs and I barely notice the difference. But, like I said, I notice major difference in quality from my DVDs to my Blurays.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Well, in my (modern) TV and in my sound system I'm constantly blown away on how much better the Blurays I own are compared to the DVDs I own, and even compared to the HD channels on my TV. So, in my personal experience, its very different indeed. IMO, anyway.

Part of that would be HD channels using some form of compressed 720p, while Blu-Rays are always straight 1080p, I imagine.

[enapace]

Still, I think its a con nonetheless since the Bluray is the current emerging format. If someone wants to buy DBZ, and doesn't want multiple releases of it, given the possibility of DVD could be dead in the near future, wouldn't it make sense for the Dragon Box DVD format to constitute a con in the buying choice? I believe so. Its very relevant.

It's not as if Blu-Ray players can play DVDs as well and up-convert them.

Oh, good, the buyer would get a dying format (if DVDs actually "die" in the near future) but he would still be able to play them. Don't get me wrong, its great that he can still play it and watch it, but wouldn't it just be better to have in the non-dead format? Isn't that very relevant when buying them? Perhaps more than having the title cards or not for most people?

And the upscale made by the players doesn't even compare to proper HD. My PS3 does upscale of my DVDs and I barely notice the difference. But, like I said, I notice major difference in quality from my DVDs to my Blurays.

The colours also make a difference. Also some blu-rays players upscale really well I agree you will never get proper HD but it close. A ps3 does not count as even that can technically be classed as outdated Blu-ray player as it behind the times as it can't play 3d blu-ray right as it only has a hdmi 1.3 output when you really need a 1.4. Also I have to put out this is a dead anime show really I will give you kai came out but it not really the same and even kai is over now.