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Speak for yourself guys. I think filler is great. You know what needs to be fixed, if anything? Giving characters faces of sheer derp when they aren't doing anything.Cipher wrote:Because it didn't do it gracefully. And frankly, I'm not sure there is a graceful way to re-edit an old show like that and have it play well.penguintruth wrote:Kai comes along and largely removes DBZ's biggest problem (padding/filler) and we still complain.
And a plausible form of Dragon Ball zombies.Silver Sinspawn wrote: Speak for yourself guys. I think filler is great. You know what needs to be fixed, if anything? Giving characters faces of sheer derp when they aren't doing anything.
In defense of filler: The Garlic Junior saga gave us Maron.
JulieYBM wrote:Just like Dragon Ball since Chapter #4.Pannaliciour wrote:Reading all the comments and interviews, my conclusion is: nobody knows what the hell is going on.
son veku wrote:CanadaMetalwario64 wrote:Where is that located?BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:Kingdom Piccolo
But the Zeta Gundam movies were done actually quite good and reanimated parts are brilliant!Cipher wrote:There's something rather awkward about it that's just inherent to the way it was produced. No show should be made out of the existing parts of a previous show, because it'll never quite stack up. It's just not going to create the kind of quality, or hell, even average, product a completely new show would. It's a cheap way out, and the effect is cheap.
I just wanted to clarify. I'm done now.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
Don't forget "Re-cast the female characters because the audio director slept with them twenty years ago and now wants to push the current female actresses he's sleeping with."penguintruth wrote:Ugh, those Zeta Gundam movies were disasters. They cut out most of the character development, huge swaths of the story, and even changed the ending to be happier. I shudder thinking about them.
She/Her Don't forget to take your estrogen! 
....And?In defense of filler: The Garlic Junior saga gave us Maron.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
I do, I like watching the characters bitch and moan or doing stupid things that build towards a climax. It usually doesn't bother me that it takes a lot of episodes as pacing being good or bad would be subjective in that context. Plus I enjoy it so much more if the artwork is by any of my favorite studios.Silver Sinspawn wrote:Well, some people like to hear Vegeta complain about his problems
Fox666 wrote:It seems you have pissed a lot of people on this forum, and I am quite sure they would like to call you stupid and say that's the designated adjectives for you. But they don't do that because of there are rules in this community.
And I don't understand the general hate for filler, when it's personally my favourite part of the series.Fionordequester wrote:....And?In defense of filler: The Garlic Junior saga gave us Maron.
I'm not saying I disagree with you about not all filler being bad, I'm just saying, Marron isn't exactly the strongest of arguments. Between Death Note, Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, and One Piece, fanservice characters are pretty much a dime-a-dozen.And I don't understand the general hate for filler, when it's personally my favourite part of the series. Maron's character may be annoying, but, she's fan service at it's best.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
There's two kinds of filler.Silver Sinspawn wrote:And I don't understand the general hate for filler, when it's personally my favourite part of the series.
That's how I felt about Kai, it lacked the intensity of Z. I never really was bothered by the filler, and the fat that it also removed Saiyaman, Kamikaze Ghost, Vegetto, etc. doesn't do me any favours either.Gonstead wrote:Some of Kai's pacing in certain scenes just feels wrong in a sense.
Take the Galick Gun vs Kaioken x3 Kamehameha in the Saiyan Saga for example.
In Z, it builds up to an epic confrontation of two mighty beings preparing they're greatest attacks to perhaps once and for all end it in ether's favor and the actual length of the battle and showing that both sides are struggling to dominate the other but Goku is losing the battle ever so slowly until it gets to the point where he has to rely on a Kaioken x4 Kamehameha to get past Vegeta's level, which could have almost killed him.
In Kai however, the build up is lost and the battle just happens far too quickly, losing all of the things I described before. When it comes to when Goku go's Kaioken x4, it just comes out of nowhere as if he just did it because he can.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
Horgus wrote:NSSJ2O... Nitrogen Sulfur Shounen Jump Dioxide?
-zachdigireign wrote:I vote to call it "Super Cyan."
But well, shrink 50 episode series into three movies? What do you expect?penguintruth wrote:Ugh, those Zeta Gundam movies were disasters. They cut out most of the character development, huge swaths of the story, and even changed the ending to be happier. I shudder thinking about them.
