Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

[Bussani]

I remember humans harming him to some extent.

I can't recall many, if any times where they manage that successfully, at least off the top of my head. I tried looking at wikipedia to refresh my memory, but all I saw was an amusing section about his injury resistance and regeneration...which sounds about right as far as I remember.

[Ringworm128]

Freeza vs The Death Star?

[mysticboy]

Freeza vs The Death Star?

I'm thinking 1st form Freeza.

[Haji]

The Death Star wasn't able to track X-Wings. Furiza could just hit it with a death ball from any where and it would be over. But if you meant Furiza taking on the beam from the Death Star, then that is a tough one.

[mysticboy]

The Death Star wasn't able to track X-Wings. Furiza could just hit it with a death ball from any where and it would be over. But if you meant Furiza taking on the beam from the Death Star, then that is a tough one.

How strong is the beam?

[Rocketman]

The Death Star wasn't able to track X-Wings. Furiza could just hit it with a death ball from any where and it would be over. But if you meant Furiza taking on the beam from the Death Star, then that is a tough one.

How strong is the beam?

It didn't take five minutes to blow up Alderaan.

[mysticboy]

Well, if the extent of its power is just a planet bust, then it won't do anything to Freeza but make him laugh.

[Bussani]

Well, if the extent of its power is just a planet bust, then it won't do anything to Freeza but make him laugh.

What's the logic there? A "planet bust" can be anything from the minimal effort required (which depends on the mass and size of the planet) to infinity.

I'd still say Freeza would win, though. The Death Star's best chance would be to blow up the planet he's on unexpectedly; knowing Freeza he'd survive that in space, but he'd be injured and the "fight" would be more or less over. But if it was a fair fight and the two knew about each other, the Death Star wouldn't be able to hit him with anything but its smaller weapons, and I doubt the station's shields could handle the sort of planet-killing attacks Freeza's capable of.

[mysticboy]

Well, that's why I said "the extent" meaning the best it can manage is a planet bust. If you power scale, the extent of Nappa's power is a planet bust. I'm talking about maximum effort.

[Bussani]

If you power scale, the extent of Nappa's power is a planet bust.

I don't even know what "power scale" means in this context.

Well, that's why I said "the extent" meaning the best it can manage is a planet bust.

That's still a bit vague, but okay. The Death Star's power would have to be ridiculously higher than the minimum energy for blowing up a planet to make the debris fly at the incredible speeds we see in the film, but it's too difficult to compare that to a similar attack in Dragon Ball. All I can say is they're both far above the minimum, at least when looked at from a realistic point of view.

A minimum-power planet destroying blast would be boring to watch. It would take hours. Darth Vader could do his "Nooooooooo~" in the time it would take for the planet to fly apart.

[Gohaz]

I'd say any Jedi Master over any Z Fighter, any day

[Pantalones]

The Death Star's power would have to be ridiculously higher than the minimum energy for blowing up a planet to make the debris fly at the incredible speeds we see in the film, but it's too difficult to compare that to a similar attack in Dragon Ball.

I'd say it's stronger than Vegeta when he arrived on Earth, but way weaker than semi-perfect Cell's explosion.

Basically, if Freeza holding back a bit (50%?) took 5 minutes to blow up a planet, Vegeta would definitely take a lot longer (if he was capable of actually "blowing up" a planet at all; it's possible he'd just destroy most of the surface or catastrophically screw up the tectonic plates/core/etc. with a side-effect of probably killing everything on it and making the planet completely uninhabitable for centuries to come)... so the level of the Death Star's planet-destroying beam is definitely higher up than Vegeta's level when he first showed up. But it's also not capable of completely vaporizing a planet (like Cell's explosion, or Buu's blast later on), only blowing it into many small chunks... so it's not nearly that far up there.

...which is an absurdly huge range of possibilities, but hey! At least it narrows it down a little bit.

If I had to guess, I'd say that somewhere above Freeza's 50% power (or however much he was holding back immediately before going to 100%) but less than or equal to his full strength would be a good estimate for the Death Star's beam. Basically the kind of explosion that destroyed Namek, but strong enough that it takes much less than 5 minutes this time. So the Death Star would definitely be able to harm Freeza, but unless he was completely caught off guard there wouldn't be much chance of it killing him (and heck, even if he was completely caught off guard and got hit, he'd probably be alive afterward even if he wasn't in great shape... he did manage to survive his own planet-destroying explosion after getting the crap beaten out of him, after all... and you have to consider that he was already cut in half by the time the explosion happened, and he got blasted by Goku immediately beforehand, so at full power he would be able to survive a lot more than the blast that destroyed Namek.)

[Bussani]

If I had to guess, I'd say that somewhere above Freeza's 50% power (or however much he was holding back immediately before going to 100%) but less than or equal to his full strength would be a good estimate for the Death Star's beam. Basically the kind of explosion that destroyed Namek, but strong enough that it takes much less than 5 minutes this time.

The thing about that is that Namek taking five minutes to blow up because Freeza "held back" makes absolutely no realistic sense. Providing less energy wouldn't delay the explosion--it would just make it less of an explosion. Of course, the explanation that he "took out the core" also makes no sense. Now, yes, it's a comic, and I'm willing to accept that it doesn't want to follow realities rules--but then applying those wacky comic rules to the Death Star wouldn't make sense, either. I think the two are more or less impossible to compare because of this, except to say that both Namek and Alderaan's explosions were far more energetic than the minimum required to destroy them. Working out the energies involved any further than that would require knowing the mass/radius of both planets, as well as the speeds the debris attained...and even I'm not crazy enough to try that.

All that said, I don't disagree with the conclusion you came to. The Death Star certainly can't take what it dishes out.

[mysticboy]

Ryu (SF) vs. Goku (Piccolo Jr Saga)
Ken (FOTNS) vs. Tein (Piccolo Jr Saga)
Bruce Lee vs. Mr. Satan

[Haji]

Ryu (SF) vs. Goku (Piccolo Jr Saga)
Ken (FOTNS) vs. Tein (Piccolo Jr Saga)
Bruce Lee vs. Mr. Satan

Goku could clean cut, punch down a tree around that time. Yes, I know filler. Ryu is awesome though!

Now Kenshiro vs. Tenshinhan. That's a good one. Cause i know what Kenshiro can do. When Kenshiro and Rao was fighting their power alone was destroying buildings and lifting rocks.

[mysticboy]

Ryu (SF) vs. Goku (Piccolo Jr Saga)
Ken (FOTNS) vs. Tein (Piccolo Jr Saga)
Bruce Lee vs. Mr. Satan

Goku could clean cut, punch down a tree around that time. Yes, I know filler. Ryu is awesome though!

Now Kenshiro vs. Tenshinhan. That's a good one. Cause i know what Kenshiro can do. When Kenshiro and Rao was fighting their power alone was destroying buildings and lifting rocks.

Do you think Tein's pressure points are vulnerable to Kenshiro?

[Ringworm128]

Akuma/Gouki vs Piccolo-Daimao?

[Haji]

Well i think if Kenshiro does that to more powerful people it wont work as good. Like the fight between him and Rao. It would hurt Rao but it didn't kill him. So maybe to Tenshihan it would be about the same or maybe do nothing at all.

[SSJkid]

A nuclear bomb would kill anybody from Dragonball/Z/GT.

Then what kind of missile did Adjutant Black and the World Army use that destroyed the mountain? KI missile?

Oh, Cell survived that KI MISSILES from the the WORLD ARMY

Buu died to a Spirit Bomb, which doesn't give off significant heat.

Which also means that nobody defends against it. Whatever ki powers they have, nearly all the characters are flesh and bone. The main one that isn't, Buu, relies completely on his regeneration and the power of an H-bomb would rip his very atoms apart.

If I recall correctly, you need to completely erase anything from BUU to destroy him and Piccolo said burning Buu's pieces is not the best option to destroy him because he can regenerate from the smoke. And as far as I know H-Bomb doesn't erase atoms and you can still see the smoke after the H-Bomb explosion, Buu would regenerate from the smoke.

[caejones]

Akuma/Gouki blew up a mountain, sank an island and I don't even know what the fish he was doing under the sea.
The under water training seems like his best feat, though, since mountains were getting blown up pretty early on.
Also, he has the sungokusatsu (or whatever it's called...?), the one where he sends his opponent to hell for a bit. It seems more like Akuman's "devil might beam" than a judgment-based attack, and it seems like Akuma would be much more capable of landing the attack than Akuman would have been (didn't Tamberine kill Akuman?).
Eh, I might have to give it to Akuma.