Cell + Artificial Moon?

[Gonstead]

Lately I was reading a few DBZ related fan fics and one had a situation of Buu Saga Vegeta vs Cell after a successful breakout with The Ginyu Force, King Cold, Freeza and Cooler.

Vegeta stated he was far above Cell's power but Cell countered with using the artificial moon technique used to transform into an Oozaru since he had the cell's of Vegeta.

Now this sounded ridiculous at first, but then I considered the facts presentable which could actually make this true.

Cell has the abilities of around the time of Saiyan Saga Vegeta and this would include the artificial moon technique Vegeta used to transform without the Earth's moon.

At around that time, a sample of DNA would have been collected while Vegeta still retained his tail, thus still giving him the ability to transform at the sight of a full moon while the artificial moon technique was designed for use when a moon was not present.

During the Saiyan Saga, the moon was destroyed by Piccolo to stop potential transformations after seeing it affect Gohan. Later on, Vegeta discovers the lack of a moon and then prepares to unleash the artificial moon in place of the real moon.

Because a cell sample was collected from Vegeta at around that time, Cell would have incorporated the ability to transform at the sight of a full moon or artificial moon because he retained the trans-formative abilities Saiyan's would have if they still had their tails and not afterwards.

So going by this logic, could Cell use the artificial moon technique to transform into an Oozaru if he desired to? If so, this would also mean the Blutz Wave Generator in GT would also affect him.

But hey, I could be wrong and I don't mind. I just felt like bringing something up for discussion.

Discuss away!

[Saiga]

Lately I was reading a few DBZ related fan fics and one had a situation of Buu Saga Vegeta vs Cell after a successful breakout with The Ginyu Force, King Cold, Freeza and Cooler.

Son of a shit, that's what I planned to do in my fanfic! All my ideas have already been done

A-ny-ways, Cell having the technique is certainly plausible, but I don't think he could transform. You need to 1/4 Saiyan to turn Super Saiyan, and I assumed you'd need the same or more to go Oozaru. I can't remember how many different cells were used in Cell's creation, but if the humans count towards that I'd say he wouldn't have enough.

Plus, his tail probably lacks those glands that are necessary to trigger the transformation.

Cool concept, however. Time to go google image/deviantart search Oozaru Cell.

[vegetaslegacy15]

I think it depends. If he got DNA from Vegeta's tail then maybe. But Cell also has cells from almost every main race we have seen in DBZ. So his Saiyan blood must be extremely and I think the ability to become Oozaru goes away after you 1/4 the Saiyan blood.

[Gonstead]

But if he has gained the Cells of both Goku AND Vegeta in addition to Piccolo and Frieza, then that would make him 2/4 Saiyan, a half-breed of sorts like Gohan.

[Bussani]

Because a cell sample was collected from Vegeta at around that time, Cell would have incorporated the ability to transform at the sight of a full moon or artificial moon because he retained the trans-formative abilities Saiyan's would have if they still had their tails and not afterwards.

Well, your DNA doesn't change if you lose an appendage like a tail, so it shouldn't make any difference when the Saiyan cells were collected.

So going by this logic, could Cell use the artificial moon technique to transform into an Oozaru if he desired to?!

My answer to that is...sure, why not? No one can say for sure, but I wouldn't have questioned it if Toriyama had done it. The only thing that makes me think it wouldn't work is that Cell never does it.

You need to 1/4 Saiyan to turn Super Saiyan

I don't think that's ever stated anywhere. Besides, logic like that goes out the window with genetically engineered life forms. A 1/4th Saiyan like Pan would inherit quite random genes from her parents, but the computer that built Cell could have picked the genes that seemed the most useful and left out the rest, giving him all the best of Saiyans, Namekians, and...whatever Freeza is. I don't think he had any human genetics in the manga, but there were bits of various animals thrown in.

But if he has gained the Cells of both Goku AND Vegeta in addition to Piccolo and Freeza, then that would make him 2/4 Saiyan, a half-breed of sorts like Gohan.

Hmm, see, it's not like they would have just dumped equal parts from each donor into a tank and been done with it. For all we know the computer that made Cell could have put him together out of 20% Saiyan, 50% Freeza, 25% Namekian, and 5% random animals. There's no way to know how many of his genes come from what.

[Saiga]

The 1/4 Saiyan to go Super Saiyan was stated by Toriyama in an interview, wasn't it?

[hleV]

The 1/4 Saiyan to go Super Saiyan was stated by Toriyama in an interview, wasn't it?

No.

[rereboy]

The 1/4 Saiyan to go Super Saiyan was stated by Toriyama in an interview, wasn't it?

Nope, I don't think so.

Its only mentioned in a guide and even there it doesn't say for sure that a 1/4 Saiyan can't transform into a SSJ ever. It just implies that it might be harder, given the case with Pan in GT.

Which means that its a guide that has DBGT in mind...

[Saiga]

Well, I stand corrected then.

[Wobbuffet]

I don't think Cell is able to turn into Oozaru. His body in not "mammalian" enough.
I mean, what would happen to his exoskeleton and his wings?
Also, his super perfect form is more powerful than his Oozaru form would be.

Of course, this is just speculation, since it's never stated either way.

[Super Vegito]

A-ny-ways, Cell having the technique is certainly plausible, but I don't think he could transform. You need to 1/4 Saiyan to turn Super Saiyan, and I assumed you'd need the same or more to go Oozaru. I can't remember how many different cells were used in Cell's creation, but if the humans count towards that I'd say he wouldn't have enough.

Perfect Cell is technically a Super Saiyan, and Super Perfect Cell is technically a Super Saiyan 2. All based on his aura of course.

But I couldn't imagine Cell going Oozaru, or what purpose it would serve. I don't think Cell retains ALL abilities of a Saiyan, just bits and pieces that give him a good advantage, combined with the other cells.

[Darkprince410]

The 1/4 Saiyan to go Super Saiyan was stated by Toriyama in an interview, wasn't it?

Nope, I don't think so.

Its only mentioned in a guide and even there it doesn't say for sure that a 1/4 Saiyan can't transform into a SSJ ever. It just implies that it might be harder, given the case with Pan in GT.

Which means that its a guide that has DBGT in mind...

If it's a guide that has GT in mind, then it's clear that 1/4 isn't the cutoff point, since Goku Jr is only 1/16th (being Pan's grandson) Saiya-jin and we clearly see him transform.

[Bussani]

What the Daizenshuu says is this:

Being a quarter Saiyan, though she's never become an Oozaru or Super Saiyan, her Saiyan blood gives her outstanding fighting talent.

If you read it carefully, it doesn't say that being a quarter Saiyan stopped her from becoming Oozaru or Super Saiyan. It only tells us that she never did, not why.

If it's a guide that has GT in mind, then it's clear that 1/4 isn't the cutoff point, since Goku Jr is only 1/16th (being Pan's grandson) Saiya-jin and we clearly see him transform.

Even smaller, he's only 1/64 Saiyan. Pan is his great-great-grandmother.

[Gonstead]

Even smaller, he's only 1/64 Saiyan. Pan is his great-great-grandmother.

No. Pan is the Grandmother of Goku jr. Chi-Chi and Goku are the Great-Great Grandparents of Goku Jr.

[Bussani]

Even smaller, he's only 1/64 Saiyan. Pan is his great-great-grandmother.

No. Pan is the Grandmother of Goku jr. Chi-Chi and Goku are the Great-Great Grandparents of Goku Jr.

I don't remember what the dub said, but the Japanese version is pretty clear about it.

[TripleRach]

Even smaller, he's only 1/64 Saiyan. Pan is his great-great-grandmother.

No. Pan is the Grandmother of Goku jr. Chi-Chi and Goku are the Great-Great Grandparents of Goku Jr.

No, he was right. Pan is his great-great-grandmother. Gokuu refers to Jr as "my grandchild's grandchild's grandchild." Which makes Gokuu and Chichi his great-great-great-great-grandparents.

[Gonstead]

Huh, well that certainly is new to me.

So how many year gaps would it take for Pan to become Great-Great? Every 25 years?

[Darkprince410]

Even smaller, he's only 1/64 Saiyan. Pan is his great-great-grandmother.

No. Pan is the Grandmother of Goku jr. Chi-Chi and Goku are the Great-Great Grandparents of Goku Jr.

I don't remember what the dub said, but the Japanese version is pretty clear about it.

I stand corrected then (shows how much I remember about GT), but the fact still remains that it completely shoots the idea out of the water that there's a known limit to what percentage of the hybrid is Saiya-jin before he or she is unable to acquire the Super Saiya-jin transformation.

[Gonstead]

A pretty interesting concept of Cell as Oozaru

[Bussani]

Huh, well that certainly is new to me.

So how many year gaps would it take for Pan to become Great-Great? Every 25 years?

About that, yeah.