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rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:25 pm

Even if Freeza had finished his transformation and reached his second form, it only takes 20 Saiyans with a power level of 5.000 (and 50.000 in their Oozaru forms) to reach a collective power level of 1 million using their Oozaru forms.

So, its only natural that Freeza was killed in these circumstances. He would need his third or final form to resist them.

Attitudefan · Post by **Attitudefan** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:47 pm

Freeza's still alive! I know it!

Rule of Dragonball: Think that your opponent is weak enough to defeat them with one blast, but he/she will emerge unharmed from the attack (Usually comes from the shadows of the smokey aftermath).

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:52 pm

Freeza will probably finish his transformation just in time to be relatively unharmed by the attack. Besides, didn't Bardock from this universe in the main story say something about "the Saiyans' rebellion against Freeza failed?" So even if Bardock individually survives, transforms, and defeats Freeza, I don't think the Ozaru army here is going to survive in the end, much less succeed in taking out Freeza right here.

... Poor Zarbon, though.

Attitudefan · Post by **Attitudefan** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:28 pm

This is why the Dragonball rule applies. Freeza is not dead!

TonyTheTiger · Post by **TonyTheTiger** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:32 pm

rereboy wrote:Even if Freeza had finished his transformation and reached his second form, it only takes 20 Saiyans with a power level of 5.000 (and 50.000 in their Oozaru forms) to reach a collective power level of 1 million using their Oozaru forms.

So, its only natural that Freeza was killed in these circumstances. He would need his third or final form to resist them.

Yup. Which is why the insane power level nerf was completely pointless and unnecessary. These new events are perfectly believable even using the original numbers. I don't get why Salagir felt the need to play games with them.

Kaboom wrote:Freeza will probably finish his transformation just in time to be relatively unharmed by the attack. Besides, didn't Bardock from this universe in the main story say something about "the Saiyans' rebellion against Freeza failed?" So even if Bardock individually survives, transforms, and defeats Freeza, I don't think the Ozaru army here is going to survive in the end, much less succeed in taking out Freeza right here.

... Poor Zarbon, though.

We know that enough Saiyans have to survive in order to lose to Raichi. And since Bardock told Raditz "if you had thought of this in our universe (referring to the eye lamp) we would have won against Raichi" that seems to imply there were more than a handful of Saiyans at the time.

Plus, realistically, there are only a couple pages left in the chapter. So this is probably the end for Freeza.

Attitudefan · Post by **Attitudefan** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:39 pm

What an anti-climactic end for Freeza. THere's not even a worthy battle with him! Why in all the new Dragonball stories Freeza always looks like a dumb wimp? If he was then he would never be a leader of a universal organization of tyranny! I smell BS around the DB universe these days...

funrush · Post by **funrush** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:42 pm

TonyTheTiger wrote:
rereboy wrote:Even if Freeza had finished his transformation and reached his second form, it only takes 20 Saiyans with a power level of 5.000 (and 50.000 in their Oozaru forms) to reach a collective power level of 1 million using their Oozaru forms.

So, its only natural that Freeza was killed in these circumstances. He would need his third or final form to resist them.
Yup. Which is why the insane power level nerf was completely pointless and unnecessary. These new events are perfectly believable even using the original numbers. I don't get why Salagir felt the need to play games with them.

Well, maybe it was to out rule the fact that he could have possibly survived? It's not like they threw all their energy out with that blast, they probably reserved some of it.

I guess it doesn't matter. I'm just glad this chapter is finally over.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:01 pm

Attitudefan wrote:What an anti-climactic end for Freeza. THere's not even a worthy battle with him! Why in all the new Dragonball stories Freeza always looks like a dumb wimp? If he was then he would never be a leader of a universal organization of tyranny! I smell BS around the DB universe these days...

... You already have a universe where Freeza and his family are the strongest. You want another universe where he rules it all because...?

funrush · Post by **funrush** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:05 pm

rereboy wrote:
Attitudefan wrote:What an anti-climactic end for Freeza. THere's not even a worthy battle with him! Why in all the new Dragonball stories Freeza always looks like a dumb wimp? If he was then he would never be a leader of a universal organization of tyranny! I smell BS around the DB universe these days...
... You already have a universe where Freeza and his family are the strongest. You want another universe where he rules it all because...?

Yeah, I agree. Did you miss Videl Vs. Cold?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:13 pm

TonyTheTiger wrote:We know that enough Saiyans have to survive in order to lose to Raichi. And since Bardock told Raditz "if you had thought of this in our universe (referring to the eye lamp) we would have won against Raichi" that seems to imply there were more than a handful of Saiyans at the time.

Ah. I'm pretty sure that's the line I was thinking of, but for some reason I thought it was Freeza, not Raichi.

Well, then... poor Freeza.

Attitudefan · Post by **Attitudefan** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:31 pm

funrush wrote:
rereboy wrote:
Attitudefan wrote:What an anti-climactic end for Freeza. THere's not even a worthy battle with him! Why in all the new Dragonball stories Freeza always looks like a dumb wimp? If he was then he would never be a leader of a universal organization of tyranny! I smell BS around the DB universe these days...
... You already have a universe where Freeza and his family are the strongest. You want another universe where he rules it all because...?
Yeah, I agree. Did you miss Videl Vs. Cold?

No, but gosh, did I love that fight!

Even so, Freeza is still weak in comparison with all the power ups given to everybody else. Videl got a stronger power up and Freeza, Cold, etc. all stay weak.

Post by **TheDevilsCorpse** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:05 pm

coola wrote:Bardock and the others broke one of Dragon Ball rules: Wait for your opponent to finish transformation

They don't know he can transform. They can't sense energy. Their scouters don't fit. They can't see him either. So why would they wait for something they don't know is happening? Judge rules this as no rule broken! lol

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:23 pm

Attitudefan wrote: No, but gosh, did I love that fight!

Even so, Freeza is still weak in comparison with all the power ups given to everybody else. Videl got a stronger power up and Freeza, Cold, etc. all stay weak.

Freeza and his family don't ever train. Why should they be more powerful?

And besides that, Freeza and Cold are actually improved in DBM, since Freeza is stated to be able to control his final form (aka without needing reduction forms) and Cold is actually much stronger than his sons and also able to control himself. All this without any justification why. And you still want more...

Attitudefan · Post by **Attitudefan** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:31 pm

Well, even so, they are nothing in comparison to many of the other characters. I guess I'm just nitpicking but I don't see reason to have certain characters get powered up a lot, and others get no treatment whatsoever. Sure Cold is buffered up but Freeza is not. I can tell you once we get to Goku vs Freeza (whenever that will be

) Goku is gonna wipe the floor with him, and it will be anticlimactic. Here we have super buffed up Bardock, who gets the SSJ treatment and whatnot! God, why is everybody SSJ? It's be a SSJ or suffer the fate of being a weak super villain. There's no contest and that irks me!

funrush · Post by **funrush** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:40 pm

Who said Bardock is a Super Saiyan?

Gohaz · Post by **Gohaz** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:59 pm

Well, maybe not officially, but who cares about that with Episode Bardock right..... ._.

Post by **TheDevilsCorpse** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:05 am

funrush wrote:Who said Bardock is a Super Saiyan?

Well, this is the same Bardock, so eventually...

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:01 am

Freeza was a big deal in his arc, but after that he was a complete joke. That's shonen for you.

funrush · Post by **funrush** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:39 am

Oh shit, I can't believe I forgot that.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:54 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
funrush wrote:Who said Bardock is a Super Saiyan?
Well, this is the same Bardock, so eventually...

Wow, the art... is so... beautiful! I miss it!

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