What if Nail did fight the Ginyu Force?

[In Brightest Day]

This isn't a "Who would have won?" thread. I'm just interested how that would have affected the story on Namek if Nail did as he was told and decided to help Vegeta, Kuririn & Son Gohan against the Ginyu Force.

Let's just say Nail shows up after the death of Gurd. Do you think he would have been any help in the battle? I've read some opinion's on this that said the battle would have taken a turn for the worse had Nail shown up, as Burter and Jeice may have felt more of a sense of urgency to jump in because Nail was an actual threat to Recoome. I'm going to play Devil's advocate here, but if none of them felt the need to help out Gurd in his fight with Gohan and Krillin, why exactly would they all of a sudden feel the need to help out Recoome who would probably be having similar trouble against the Namekian?

I think Nail likely would have pulled off the win against Recoome, partly due to the distraction of Vegeta and the others. However, the Z-Fighters being able to hold off both Burter and Jeice is obviously a bit of a stretch. Maybe Nail's fight against Recoome would take long enough for Goku to show up without the other Ginyu Force members having to get involved?

[Saiga]

Nail would have gotten beat up, Freeza probably wouldn't have been stalled, everyone dies.

[Adamant]

Definitely. While Nail might have been able to take one of them in a fight, the others would've joined in when it had become apparent that Nail might actually give them some trouble, and Vegeta and the Earthlings wouldn't be able to make too much of a difference.

As for Ghurd, they didn't help because, well, he was winning. The battle ended up being a lot more troublesome than he had expected, but he was winning, and they all knew it. He only lost because Vegeta pulled a completely unexpected move that killed Ghurd before anyone had the chance to process what was going on, let alone react. Jeese DID help Ginyu when he appeared to be having a bit of trouble.

[Cipher]

Babidi and Majin Boo would eventually have conquered/destroyed the universe.

Which, coincidentally, is exactly what happens if most characters alter any significant action throughout the series.

[SylentEcho]

If Nail fought the Ginyu squad alone, he would have been defeated by Ghurd's ability. The very fact that a guy like Ghurd with such a measly power level is part of the elite Ginyu squad is because he can defeat almost any one with his time freezer.

[Kid Buu]

Babidi and Majin Boo would eventually have conquered/destroyed the universe.

I'm curious to hear why you think this. Assuming Freeza wins on Namek...

(1) Z Fighters all die.
(2) Freeza can't speak Namek, thus doesn't get his wish.
(3) No Goku, so no real reason for Androids / Cell.
(4) Babidi has on one as strong as SSJ2 Gohan to absorb energy from, therefore no release of Buu

Which, coincidentally, is exactly what happens if most characters alter any significant action throughout the series.

The butterfly effect!

[Toadster]

If Nail fought the Ginyu squad alone, he would have been defeated by Ghurd's ability. The very fact that a guy like Ghurd with such a measly power level is part of the elite Ginyu squad is because he can defeat almost any one with his time freezer.

I'm not so sure of this. Nail is much stronger than Ghurd. Krillin and Gohan were more around his level, which is probably why they could be held by his psychic powers.

[CaBrPi]

Ghurd would've been killed either way. Vegeta's an opportunistic bastard like that.

Wasn't Nail's BP 48,000? And Recoome's was 42,000? Or do I have those backwards?

[Saiga]

Ghurd would've been killed either way. Vegeta's an opportunistic bastard like that.

Wasn't Nail's BP 48,000? And Recoome's was 42,000? Or do I have those backwards?

Nail's BP is 42,000 and Recoome's is never given.

[rereboy]

(4) Babidi has on one as strong as SSJ2 Gohan to absorb energy from, therefore no release of Buu

... On planet Earth. He would just have to steal the energy of all the inhabitans of a few planets and he would be able to free Buu.

Babidi even stated that the energy provided by Gohan, given its amount, should have come from lots of people. He didn't even say that it should be impossible to get that much energy from a planet like Earth without taking it from super beings, so we have to assume its perfectly possible to do so.

And Kaioshin would never be able to stop them alone, so Buu would rule.

[Super Vegito]

(4) Babidi has on one as strong as SSJ2 Gohan to absorb energy from, therefore no release of Buu

... On planet Earth. He would just have to steal the energy of all the inhabitans of a few planets and he would be able to free Buu.

Babidi even stated that the energy provided by Gohan, given its amount, should have come from lots of people. He didn't even say that it should be impossible to get that much energy from a planet like Earth without taking it from super beings, so we have to assume its perfectly possible to do so.

And Kaioshin would never be able to stop them alone, so Buu would rule.

And Babidi would just make Frieza another one of his henchmen anyways.

[In Brightest Day]

Wow. This went off-topic quickly... here's where it all went wrong.

Babidi and Majin Boo would eventually have conquered/destroyed the universe.

Which, coincidentally, is exactly what happens if most characters alter any significant action throughout the series.

This thread isn't what would happen in relation to the rest of the series had Nail shown up against the Ginyu Force. It's how it would effect the actual battle against Recoome, Burter & Jeice (remember Guildo is dead by the time Nail shows up) and how it would effect the rest of their time on Namek.

Let's continue this thread under those guidelines. Thanks.

[In Brightest Day]

Really? Me setting this thread back on topic would actually stop people from posting in it?

[Fox666]

No, I think they doesn't have anything to say.

It wouldn't matter much if Nail come. He could at the best handle only a single of the three Ginyu Tokusentai members at the time, and they would join together to easily defeat him.

[dbgtFO]

I actually do have something to say concerning the topic at hand, but first I'd like to address this:

Babidi even stated that the energy provided by Gohan, given its amount, should have come from lots of people. He didn't even say that it should be impossible to get that much energy from a planet like Earth without taking it from super beings, so we have to assume its perfectly possible to do so.

Yes to an extent.
It seemed to me, that it was made a point that he had no clue what kind of enourmous power he was actually dealing with and thus severely underestimated how much energy he actually needed.

-For starters he didn't know his suction device could contain ~ ½ the energy needed.
-He thought that 3 guys weaker than Pui Pui could provide the required energy, which doesn't add up at all with Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 energy not even providing ½.
-He didn't expect any of them to be capable of defeating Pui Pui much less having a kiri rating anywhere close to Yakon's 800.

I'm sure he could eventually get enough energy like you said, it would just take a lot more time and much more energy than he initially assumed.

On-topic:
Nail would be in big trouble. While I think his power is slightly lower than Recoome's and would thus make him capable of putting up a good fight depending on how he approached the fight, Butta and Jhees would gang up on him as soon as it looks like he's going to pull of a win IMO.

The Eldest would have no one to protect him, but he'd still send Dende to give the Earthlings the password.
When Freeza shows up, I don't what he'd do to buy time. Perhaps he'd say that his death equals no Dragon Balls, perhaps he wouldn't and realize his time had come. Alternatively he could give birth to a new fighting-type Namekian who could fight Freeza. Though considering he didn't have much time left to begin with, it'd probably kill him, making it pretty pointless... so he probably wouldn't do that anyways.