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Re: STOP SOPA NOW!

Post by Bussani » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:13 pm

Even if someone isn't from the US, having their entire American audience blocked would be pretty inconvenient. Any states based ad revenue could also be cut off.
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Post by hui43210 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:40 pm

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Saiga wrote:LK isn't american, so shouldn't he be safe?
He actually moving to the States pretty soon.
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Post by Ani-Nation7 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:25 am

Tomorrow for my class current event I'll choose to talk about Sopa. Hopefully I'll be able to inform more people about this destructive bill.

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Post by Super Sayian Prime » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:05 am

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DanielGClapp wrote:Well I was thinking that all those things were related to DB stuff, but I guess gameplay would also be included in that criteria.
It would include DB gameplay type videos, but also any other type of gameplay videos.
I thought Prime was getting at the fact that scanlations going away wouldn't be such a bad thing, especially for DB.
This is what I was referring to. The fan parodies, and gameplay videos would constitute fair use, in my opinion, as they do not attempt to replace or replicate a licensed product but rather promote the product. Posting up an entire scanned version of a manga series (I'm not talking about the snippets of panels people put in reviews, those would count as fair-use at least in my opinion as well) wouldn't constitute fair use since the intent can replace a licensed product.

I'm not necessarily saying it's a good thing, or a bad thing if they were to go away in regards to Dragon Ball , since for a lot of things in the manga sphere, there simply isn't an official English version. Which for a franchise of this popularity is quite odd.

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Post by funrush » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:16 pm

Ani-Nation7 wrote:Tomorrow for my class current event I'll choose to talk about Sopa. Hopefully I'll be able to inform more people about this destructive bill.
Same, in History, my teacher asked if we had any news we'd like to share, and I stood up and talked all about SOPA. Long story short, my teacher was amazed.

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Post by funrush » Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:15 pm

Yeah, have seen that for a week now, I'd open up the Fire Fox and that link would be there.

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Post by dbboxkaifan » Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:59 pm

In which day will they decide the outcome?
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Post by funrush » Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:26 pm

A specific day hasn't been decided yet.

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Post by Bussani » Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:31 pm

funrush wrote:Yeah, have seen that for a week now, I'd open up the Fire Fox and that link would be there.
I think it's a different one from the one that was around a week ago, but I could be wrong. Might be good to double check.
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Post by funrush » Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:28 pm

You're right. It's a different one.

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Re: STOP SOPA NOW!

Post by Perfect » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:30 am

I don't see this being passed if things keep up. Adobe, Microsoft, Apple and Intel have all stopped supporting the bill. If all the opposition fails, then I've lost faith in congress as a whole. Though I assume, if the bill were to be passed, that there'd be riots and a lot of retaliation not just with actual citizens but other people in higher positions. Ron Paul, Nancy Pelosi and Darrell Issa have all expressed the folly of the bill, so there's at least some form of hope.

(Then again, this could work political magic for presidential candidates promising to veto the bill)

Any jackass can see that prisons would swell up even more than they are now, this doesn't just affect the internet. The individuals that wrote this bill are virtually fucking over millions of people that doesn't deserve to go to jail/prison. I can only imagine how many serious offenders would be taken out of confinement so "SOPA breakers" can rot "where they belong". I'd also imagine this'd have a damper on the economy in that retrospective.
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Post by MCDaveG » Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:16 am

Unfortunately, I can't support this matter. As Mozilla stated, that as non-american, I should pass it to one I know. Well, but I have a lot friends in music industry, so I will toss them that.
Well, it's not like ''why I care about american political system'', but as USA stands as a role model in some things, I can imagine what insane s**t can come out of it in EU.
As my country is really young democratical system, after comunism fell in 1989, here you can see idiotic visionaries, who are implementing western models in politics, but only as outtakes. They are not building any ground for some laws.
As now, the minister of education just sucked up some idea from his sick head, that he will issue tests for kids in 5th and 8th class of elementary school and if they fail, they won't get on universities years later in future. But well, the school system in Czech republic is in the same horrendous state without much reforms, with lot of teachers who were educating during comunism, so they have completely different method of education and the school are not unified, so on every school, there is different material and way to teach.

Well, you can imagine, if they will take interest in something like SOPA. There was simmilar idea some years ago, but fortunately it even didn't pass into the parliament. But people are changing.
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Post by Attitudefan » Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:51 pm

MCDaveG wrote:Unfortunately, I can't support this matter. As Mozilla stated, that as non-american, I should pass it to one I know. Well, but I have a lot friends in music industry, so I will toss them that.
Well, it's not like ''why I care about american political system'', but as USA stands as a role model in some things, I can imagine what insane s**t can come out of it in EU.
As my country is really young democratical system, after comunism fell in 1989, here you can see idiotic visionaries, who are implementing western models in politics, but only as outtakes. They are not building any ground for some laws.
As now, the minister of education just sucked up some idea from his sick head, that he will issue tests for kids in 5th and 8th class of elementary school and if they fail, they won't get on universities years later in future. But well, the school system in Czech republic is in the same horrendous state without much reforms, with lot of teachers who were educating during comunism, so they have completely different method of education and the school are not unified, so on every school, there is different material and way to teach.

Well, you can imagine, if they will take interest in something like SOPA. There was simmilar idea some years ago, but fortunately it even didn't pass into the parliament. But people are changing.
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Post by MCDaveG » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:38 pm

Attitudefan wrote:As much as I love my father's homeland, it is sad to see it in such bad shape.
Started right after the comunists raised the biggest f**k up ever in 1948 and on-going :D
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Post by Attitudefan » Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:29 am

MCDaveG wrote:
Attitudefan wrote:As much as I love my father's homeland, it is sad to see it in such bad shape.
Started right after the communists raised the biggest f**k up ever in 1948 and on-going :D
After finishing at my work, I'm leaving to UK, tadah. I hate it here
Hope things go well for you in the UK. The poor Czechs always have it bad.
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Post by Bussani » Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:27 am

Got another message from Mozilla today and thought, since I'm not in the US myself, I should share it with those who are.
The US Senate could vote on the Protect IP Act as soon as this week.

So we need you to raise your voice today, and call your Senators with one, simple message: "Protect the Internet as we know it. Oppose the Protect IP Act."

Making the call is easier than you'd think -- and will only take a minute or two. What do you say?

You can click here to use a helpful tool that a partner organization put together allowing you to enter your phone number, see some discussion points, and get patched through directly.

Or you can call the Senate switchboard at (202) 224-3121, tell the person who answers where you live, and he or she will connect you to your senator (you'll need to call a second time for your other senator).

This is part of a broader coalition effort -- including other technology companies and public-interest organizations -- and we're looking to flood the Senate with calls today, to make sure our message is heard loud and clear.

Along with its companion legislation in the House -- the Stop Online Piracy Act -- the bill would create new cybersecurity risks and jeopardize the basic structure of the internet as we know it, all in the name of a goal that would not be achieved.

The chorus against these bills has grown -- just on Sunday, the New York Times wrote in an editorial that the bills "overreached" and "[have] serious problems that must be fixed."

But nothing is certain yet -- these bills can be stopped in their current form, if we all raise our voices and make it known that Americans don't want the internet we know and love to be harmed.

So please call your senators today. Call the switchboard at (202) 224-3121, or use the call tool a partner put together here:

https://donate.mozilla.org/pipa-calls
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Post by SilverPlaqueVII » Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:12 pm

http://www.thestar.com/article/1085837- ... acy-battle
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Geist: U.S. could claim millions of Canadian domain names in piracy battle

The U.S. Congress is currently embroiled in a heated debated over the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA), proposed legislation that supporters argue is needed to combat online infringement, but critics fear would create the “great firewall of the United States.”

SOPA’s potential impact on the Internet and development of online services is enormous as it cuts across the lifeblood of the Internet and e-commerce in the effort to target websites that are characterized as being “dedicated to the theft of U.S. property.” This represents a new standard that many experts believe could capture hundreds of legitimate websites and services.

For those caught by the definition, the law envisions requiring Internet providers to block access to the sites, search engines to remove links from search results, payment intermediaries such as credit-card companies and PayPal to cut off financial support, and Internet advertising companies to cease placing advertisements.

While these measures have unsurprisingly raised concern among Internet companies and civil society groups, the jurisdictional implications demand far more attention. The U.S. approach is breathtakingly broad, effectively treating millions of websites and IP addresses as “domestic” for U.S. law purposes.

The long arm of U.S. law manifests itself in at least five ways in the proposed legislation.

First, it defines a “domestic domain name” as a domain name “that is registered or assigned by a domain name registrar, domain name registry, or other domain name registration authority, that is located within a judicial district of the United States.” Since every dot-com, dot-net and dot-org domain is managed by a domain name registry in the U.S., the law effectively asserts jurisdiction over tens of millions of domain names regardless of where the registrant actually resides.

Second, it defines “domestic Internet Protocol addresses” — the numeric strings that constitute the actual address of a website or Internet connection — as “an Internet Protocol address for which the corresponding Internet Protocol allocation entity is located within a judicial district of the United States.”

Yet IP addresses are allocated by regional organizations, not national ones. The allocation entity located in the U.S. is called ARIN, the Americas Registry for Internet Numbers. Its territory includes the U.S., Canada and 20 Caribbean nations. This bill treats all IP addresses in this region as domestic for U.S. law purposes.

To put this in context, every Canadian Internet provider relies on ARIN for its block of IP addresses. In fact, ARIN even allocates the block of IP addresses used by federal and provincial governments. The U.S. bill would treat them all as domestic for U.S. law purposes.

Third, the bill grants the U.S. in rem jurisdiction over any website that does not have a domestic jurisdictional connection. For those sites, the U.S. grants jurisdiction over the property of the site and opens the door to court orders requiring Internet providers to block the site and Internet search engines to stop linking to it.

Should a website owner wish to challenge the court order, U.S. law asserts itself in a fourth way, since in order for an owner to file a challenge (described as a “counter notification”), the owner must first consent to the jurisdiction of the U.S. courts.

If these measures were not enough, the fifth measure makes it a matter of U.S. law to ensure that intellectual property protection is a significant component of U.S. foreign policy and grants more resources to U.S. embassies around the world to increase their involvement in foreign legal reform.

U.S. intellectual property lobbying around the world has been well documented with new Canadian copyright legislation widely viewed as a direct consequence of years of political pressure. The new U.S. proposal takes this aggressive approach to another level by simply asserting jurisdiction over millions of Canadian registered IP addresses and domain names.
As a Canadian operating my web site, I am fighting against SOPA. Come to think of it, it might impact DBZKai's "Canadian dub" coming up so Americans are unable to see our future English dub as FUNimation distributes everything here in North America (especially in Canada and the US). Canadian laws count just so you know, IMO.

The content varies by jurisdiction, it's not that bad when you watch bootlegged or legit copies of the DB series anywhere when you watch outside the US. Canadians needed CanCon that radio and television broadcasters (including cable and satellite specialty channels) must air a certain percentage of content that was at least partly written, produced, presented, or otherwise contributed to by persons from Canada. It also refers to that content itself, and, more generally, to cultural and creative content that is Canadian in nature. Especially the DB/Z/GT (Kai?) dub met its requirements because of the voice actors that played in Vancouver and Calgary years ago. Not all can be mediocre when you hear Goku's Kamehameha in Canadian English or French.
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Post by Bussani » Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:24 am

What's this? Some sort of...sane sounding alternative?! What's the world coming to?
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Post by GotenDaisuki » Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:39 am

At school we just finished learning about government and the Constitution, etc., etc. So because of that I do understand where the "Protect IP" and "SOPA" bills are coming from. But, still. I know Congress has the power to "extend their powers" to some extent, but wouldn't these acts be illegal since it basically takes away rights from the citizens? Congress cannot take away those rights, especially those stated in the Bill of Rights, specifically the first Amendment (Freedom of speech, religion, press, assembly, and petition).
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