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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Bussani » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:45 pm

Saiga wrote:I assume it works like Pain Split in Pokaymanz, except with Power levels instead of HP.
Yeah, but what does that have to do with switching genders? Is switching genders a side effect of balancing their battle powers, or is balancing their battle powers a side effect of switching genders?
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:59 pm

I guess Syd as a male is stronger and quicker when she switch genders or they just wanted to do something funny for once?
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Zionist » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:04 pm

:lol: Genderbending is just too funny....And it's even funnier reading all the negative comments about it on the DBM page :lol: Oh the idiots :lol:
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by jjgp1112 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:31 pm

The people in the Multiverse comment section take DB WAY too seriously. This is similar to the shitstorm over the Tori-bot stuff.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Attitudefan » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:47 pm

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Saiga » Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:12 am

jjgp1112 wrote:The people in the Multiverse comment section take DB WAY too seriously. This is similar to the shitstorm over the Tori-bot stuff.
And that is precisely why I ditched the comments section. :lol:

And Bussani, I'd say the first because that makes a bit more sense from the standpoint of the technique's utility.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Sedorna » Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:15 am

Saiga wrote:Vegeta's hair style change doesn't make sense, but I'm glad for it. To me, Vegeta's normal hair style just cannot look good on a chick.
True, but what about the hairstyle he had when he was a child, during the Bardock special? That would work, especially since the bangs would soften it up a bit. As it is, it just looks deflated.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Bussani » Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:23 am

Saiga wrote:And Bussani, I'd say the first because that makes a bit more sense from the standpoint of the technique's utility.
Then the gender switching just seems tacked on to the power balancing. It feels like there should be a connection between the two, but I don't see it. It's not a huge deal, but it feels odd to me.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Scarz » Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:47 am

Saiga wrote:Well shit, Scarz, you're going to be drawing lewd pictures of Girlgeta as well?
I'm pretty much obligated to do it now. :P
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Saiga wrote:And Bussani, I'd say the first because that makes a bit more sense from the standpoint of the technique's utility.
Then the gender switching just seems tacked on to the power balancing. It feels like there should be a connection between the two, but I don't see it. It's not a huge deal, but it feels odd to me.
I guess Salagir wanted an excuse to have a female version of Vegeta and stretch the fight long enough to have an actual funny gag. If Vegeta was turned into a woman and still had the same power level, she would've won the fight within seconds and probably quickly returned to normal. And what fun would that be?
jjgp1112 wrote:The people in the Multiverse comment section take DB WAY too seriously. This is similar to the shitstorm over the Tori-bot stuff.
God, I hate the comment section there. Once in a while it would have an actual funny or incisive comment. But 90% of the time you get comments like "Vegeta is girl?! THAT'S GAY!"

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Maphisto86 » Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:47 am

Bussani wrote:
Saiga wrote:And Bussani, I'd say the first because that makes a bit more sense from the standpoint of the technique's utility.
Then the gender switching just seems tacked on to the power balancing. It feels like there should be a connection between the two, but I don't see it. It's not a huge deal, but it feels odd to me.
Coming from a doujinshi based off a series that includes shape shifting pigs? Yeah it's pretty out there! :wink:

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Saiga » Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:59 am

Scarz wrote:
I guess Salagir wanted an excuse to have a female version of Vegeta and stretch the fight long enough to have an actual funny gag. If Vegeta was turned into a woman and still had the same power level, she would've won the fight within seconds and probably quickly returned to normal. And what fun would that be?
You know, considering Salagir's thing for strong women, I guess Girlgeta has a pretty good chance to advance in the tournament now.
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Post by Bussani » Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:26 am

Scarz wrote:I guess Salagir wanted an excuse to have a female version of Vegeta and stretch the fight long enough to have an actual funny gag. If Vegeta was turned into a woman and still had the same power level, she would've won the fight within seconds and probably quickly returned to normal. And what fun would that be?
That's exactly the impression I got, which is why it felt tacked on to me.
Maphisto86 wrote:Coming from a doujinshi based off a series that includes shape shifting pigs? Yeah it's pretty out there! :wink:
But I don't have a problem with a technique that switches genders, or a technique that balances battle powers. Those are both interesting abilities, and I love interesting abilities. I just don't see any logical connection between the two in this case.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Saiga » Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:32 am

Bussani wrote:
Scarz wrote:I guess Salagir wanted an excuse to have a female version of Vegeta and stretch the fight long enough to have an actual funny gag. If Vegeta was turned into a woman and still had the same power level, she would've won the fight within seconds and probably quickly returned to normal. And what fun would that be?
That's exactly the impression I got, which is why it felt tacked on to me.
Maphisto86 wrote:Coming from a doujinshi based off a series that includes shape shifting pigs? Yeah it's pretty out there! :wink:
But I don't have a problem with a technique that switches genders, or a technique that balances battle powers. Those are both interesting abilities, and I love interesting abilities. I just don't see any logical connection between the two in this case.
Well, I suppose they don't have to be connected, do they? It could just be a technique developed by bringing together too separate effects - the first is to even the power so that it is a fair fight, and the second is the genderswap so that the psychological effect gives Syd the advantage.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:35 am

Bussani wrote:But I don't have a problem with a technique that switches genders, or a technique that balances battle powers. Those are both interesting abilities, and I love interesting abilities. I just don't see any logical connection between the two in this case.
I don't see how there isn't a connection. The technique balances their powers and gives both of them new bodies and minds that they need to adapt to physically and mentally, and the genders are wired fairly different. The whole goal is just to put both of them on an even playing field. Though Syd (or whatever her name is) has already mastered the technique, leaving only Vegeta at a disadvantage, though he also has Super Saiyan up his sleeve, so it is kinda balanced I guess.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Bussani » Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:07 am

Saiga wrote:Well, I suppose they don't have to be connected, do they?
Not really. I'm not saying they have to be. I'm just saying...well...what you said yourself, actually: it feels like two ideas tossed together, and that makes me feel like the power balancing was tossed in just to make the gender swapping not pointless.
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:I don't see how their isn't a connection. The technique balances their powers and gives both of them new bodies and minds that they need to adapt to physically and mentally, and the genders are wired fairly different. The whole goal is just to put both of them on an even playing field.
Wouldn't they have been on an even playing field without also swapping genders? Anyway, that wasn't the sort of connection I was thinking of. I was thinking like, if you gained the power to control air, could you use it to control sound? Potentially, yes, because there's a connection between the two. I like when one ability can lead to another like that, so existing powers can be used in a clever new way. Balancing powers and swapping genders are two separate ideas put together. To be fair, I'm not actually saying there's anything wrong with that, but...I dunno... As I said, it feels almost like an excuse to use a technique that wouldn't be much help by itself.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by batistabus » Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:49 am

The fact that this technique has such random conditions is what bothers me the most. You change gender, AND your powers are divided evenly? What? Pick one or the other. I get the fact that he might not be used to fighting in a female body, and that would be the usefulness of the technique, but this just seems like a forced attempt to make a barely humorous gag fit.

Edit: Oh...yeah. What the users above me are talking about...

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:32 am

Bussani wrote:Wouldn't they have been on an even playing field without also swapping genders? Anyway, that wasn't the sort of connection I was thinking of. I was thinking like, if you gained the power to control air, could you use it to control sound? Potentially, yes, because there's a connection between the two. I like when one ability can lead to another like that, so existing powers can be used in a clever new way. Balancing powers and swapping genders are two separate ideas put together. To be fair, I'm not actually saying there's anything wrong with that, but...I dunno... As I said, it feels almost like an excuse to use a technique that wouldn't be much help by itself.
Just being close in power doesn't mean you're on an even playing field, even in Dragon Ball there is a slight skill factor, though it does get lost later in the story. Without the psychological element of the gender switch and having to adapt to the new body, Vegeta is most likely the better fighter and would slaughter her even without Super Saiyan. He did manage to overwhelm both Zarbon (pre-trans) and Dodoria despite being very close to each of them in power. I don't think we've even seen the girls attempt to use ki attacks have we? Vegeta could just Big Bang Attack (=P) Syd and eradicate her from existence if she is only using the power in a physical manner.

To me, the technique would be designed balance the advantages one fighter could have over the other, with both the power balancing and gender swapping being side effects to reach that goal. One isn't applied to the other, they were developed together to get the desired effect. It wrecks whatever sort of structure they had used their figurative building blocks to erect in order to develop their fighting skills, power, etc. It simply becomes a race of who adapts first and can rebuild that structure with a new set of blocks becoming the winner. Kinda like those cartoon episodes where magic makes someone trying to move their arm actually move their foot, etc. Syd apparently has experience as the opposite gender, while Vegeta obviously does not, therefore she can adapt faster. This is probably going to be balanced by Vegeta having Super Saiyan, but then again, the DNA shift may have caused it to become locked out from use or harder for him to trigger since he isn't accustomed to the female body.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Bussani » Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:16 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:To me, the technique would be designed balance the advantages one fighter could have over the other, with both the power balancing and gender swapping being side effects to reach that goal. One isn't applied to the other, they were developed together to get the desired effect. It wrecks whatever sort of structure they had used their figurative building blocks to erect in order to develop their fighting skills, power, etc. It simply becomes a race of who adapts first and can rebuild that structure with a new set of blocks becoming the winner. Kinda like those cartoon episodes where magic makes someone trying to move their arm actually move their foot, etc. Syd apparently has experience as the opposite gender, while Vegeta obviously does not, therefore she can adapt faster. This is probably going to be balanced by Vegeta having Super Saiyan, but then again, the DNA shift may have caused it to become locked out from use or harder for him to trigger since he isn't accustomed to the female body.
Like I said, I'm not actually saying there's anything wrong with all that--just that there's no real connection there. It might as well have been anything. "I balanced our powers and turned us both into camels" makes as much sense.

Actually, it would be pretty hilarious if swapping genders was just one of countless possible outcomes. If the effect was random enough for both users I think it would fit your idea well.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:17 am

Hahaha!!! Flat-chest Vegeta-chan! :lol:
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