Would you have liked the replacement scores better if...

[Pokewhiz7]

...they weren't wall-to-wall? Specifically the Faulconer score. While I think the Japanese scores are vastly superior and there isn't a contest as to which is better, there are genuinely a few Faulconer Productions songs I like. My main problem, though, is that it never shuts the fuck up. Silence can go a long way. Thoughts?

[Silkman3003]

Certainly. Hell it took me a while(Well mainly reading what people hated about faulconer in Z. ) to realize that having the music continuously play...isn't really a good thing. Hell it's one of the main issues with people who try to add faulconer music to fights. They try to emulate his work, rather than..you know..do new things. Like make parts silent.

I actually like a good amount of faulconer music. But now that I think about it, it would have been a lot better if each new track didn't continuously play one after another.

[Thanos]

Most definitely. One aspect of it that annoyed me was basically how it cheapened the emotionality of the scenes--as to basically tell the viewer how they're supposed to feel at that time. Scenes with silence can be way more tense, as well.

Or, better yet, if in addition to this, the tracks were written to be "inspired" by the original score... if they absolutely had to change the BGM, they might as well have attempted to rip off the original to the point of not being sued.

[BluezaBladeNZ]

For (bleep) Productions score, probably, it definitely would have been more tolerable than what we got. Taking out the god-awful filler themes like Bulma and the Frog, Baby Trunks jingle and the flying music (don't know the name), made the themes actually match the emotion going on in the scene (I'll be flat out honest, I find the Gohan Attacks Freeza, SSJ both Goku and Vegeta's and SSJ3 Transformations to be some of the worst) and restructuring it to match Kikuchi's placement. But for me, I've got completely put off the score so it's already done its damage.

Though for Shuki Levy's, Mark Menza's and Nathan Johnson's, it didn't bother me as much, so I'm perfectly happy with its placement (I'm probably in the huge minority for this), even if I only listen to the Japanese scores now.

[Fionordequester]

Taking out the god-awful filler themes like Bulma and the Frog

Wait, you disliked that one? I loved that one, not only did it sound nice, but it sort of reminded me of Chrono Trigger. And while I do agree that wall-to-wall music isn't a good idea, I personally don't mind it that much. Then again, that could just be because I spend so much time playing video games that I'm used to wall-to-wall music.

[dbboxkaifan]

I'm very happy with Kikuchi's music on Dragon Ball Kai as replacement, Shuki Levy would've been nice too, but never Faulconer.

[theoriginalbilis]

I will admit both the Saban-created and FUNimation-created scores have some decent compositions. The biggest problem with those scores is that there's basically tons of "filler" music created to fill scenes where there isn't really any music needed (certain scenes with dialogue, or dramatic scenery shots.)

If they took it easy by not cramming the episodes full of filler music, I think it would've been less obnoxious and it would've played the strengths of the story and characters better. Look at other anime with replacement scores: Robotech had a pretty decent score (especially for it's time) but it also had moments of silence that allowed scenes with dialogue to progress naturally (the music didn't always have to tell us what to feel, the events transpiring on screen showed us those emotions). Even Street Fighter II: The Animated Movie had subtle moments of silence and that movie has a very hard rock/metal/in yo' face replacement score.

[Gonstead]

There are actually times where both scores do actually have moments of silence.

One scene from the early dub had a part where Vegeta senses the incoming of the Ginyu Force and there was absolutely no music playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InXgNib19m8

Another from the Team Faulconer score where Cell's attention shifts towards 16's flying head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcSWlET_qpI

[dbboxkaifan]

I could see Yu Yu Hakusho's BGM's fit with Dragon Ball Kai but Toei's done with it, they didn't want to spend any more money so they used the classic original DBZ BGM which are great replacements too.

Gonstead @ Isn't that Ocean's version? They dubbed episodes 001-053, so it probably is. Which is why sounds better way than FUNi's music, Ocean Dub = Shuki Levy.

[Gonstead]

I could see Yu Yu Hakusho's BGM's fit with Dragon Ball Kai but Toei's done with it, they didn't want to spend any more money so they used the classic original DBZ BGM which are great replacements too.

Gonstead @ Isn't that Ocean's version? They dubbed episodes 001-053, so it probably is. Which is why sounds better way than FUNi's music, Ocean Dub = Shuki Levy.

They dubbed under Funimation, so technically it is a Funimation dub.

Both scores had constant music playing in the background and these are the only two examples I could find of no music playing though I think I remember a few instances in the Frieza saga where no music was played.

[dbboxkaifan]

Starting from 00:12 till 00:28 no music (well, it commences playing at 00:28)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PRXnbgealA

It's a FUNimation Dub but with Ocean voices, and it's most commonly known as Ocean Dub, so I'll leave it at that.

[cRookie_Monster]

Mostly we were guilty as charged because that's what we were asked to do. I tried to put in benign music in cases where it should have been silent.

Buuut here's my fav example of a moment of silence (Vegeta dies)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhVnueyP ... be&t=1m11s

I originally had more silence in even, but Mike had the idea of the low drum roll, which to me almost blends in with the SFX and doesn't sound like part of the score (though it actually is)

This whole scene is one of the scenes I am most proud of from an editing perspective (I wish the video had the clip of Goku burying him in there =\)

[Gonstead]

@dbboxkaifan - Ahh yes, I forgot about those two examples.

@cRookie_Monster - I commend that scene for having no music as Vegeta died. It worked very well.

At least there is proof that the music wasn't ALWAYS playing, there are a few gems here and there with no music playing and they seem quite appropriate.

If anyone can find and post more examples of no music in scenes, please do!

[Fionordequester]

Actually, there is one example in the Buu Saga during the end of SSJ3 Goku's battle vs. Pure Buu at 3:25-3:31 here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpXJ86DOpWM

[Codarik]

Here's one with some silence...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d7zILDjLF0

[Fionordequester]

....sigh...well, there actually is two other good ones in the Cell Saga. First of all is one on the Episode in which the Z Warriors first discovered Cell. Whereas there was music playing as the cameraman gets killed in the original Japanese version, there was actually a moment of silence as we hear gunfire in the background.

Then there was the Episode where Cell first appeared and killed that man in front of Piccolo. Right after he killed him, there was a brief moment of silence.

[Gonstead]

Here's one with some silence...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d7zILDjLF0

Nice find. 14 seconds of silence in the Team Faulconer score dub.

This is turning into a contest of sorts, hehe. Who can find the longest amount of silence in the dub?

[Fionordequester]

Gonstead, thank you so much for expressing surprise at that clip. I just realized that I forgot to post the video comparison of Episode 69 in my topic. That video contains that clip, so I thank you very much for that!

[cRookie_Monster]

Here's one with some silence...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d7zILDjLF0

Nice find. 14 seconds of silence in the Team Faulconer score dub.

This is turning into a contest of sorts, hehe. Who can find the longest amount of silence in the dub?

Lol I remember that one, not from watching the scene, but from looking at that episode's music file ^^ There was always this weird gap. Cool to hear what it was for! (was one of the shows scored before my start date)

Nice find

[Gonstead]

What's a Goku? What's a Kakarot? What's a Saiyan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3BQu1vpPKU