DBZ Manga censorship

[Pokewhiz7]

The difference with DBZ Uncensored is, and Chris Psaros said it himself, censorship was not the main issue. It was the music, acting, and script changes made that made it a much different show. I doubt DBZ Manga Uncensored would work. However, we may be able to convince Viz to do something like, sell uncensored editions on their website. Just a thought.

[Zestanor]

Remember: the petition back in 2000 was signed by all 20 people on the Internet at the time. (Give or take).

[GS7X7]

It's not just DBZ getting screwed but tons of others.... FMA, One Piece, Naruto.

Example- at one point in One Piece the World Government's torture prison is visited. Originally they talk about how every inmate is given a "baptism" (dipped in extreme boiling water) and how only a handful were tough enough to endure it without screaming. The Vizified version of One Piece.... has the inmates' clothing get dipped and them forced to wear it.

The change alters showing how tough and strong-willed those few inmates who didn't scream were, and it lessens the horrors of the World Government and the tortures they inflict on people.

There are countless other examples for tons of mangas. (SK has quite a few) Viz doesn't just need a DBZ Manga Uncensored site, it needs a generalized Viz Mangas Uncensored site.

[SJR]

Here's the cold, hard reality of the matter.

Companies will censor goods if it means it can help them reach the widest demographic audience and help them make money with as little to no backlash possible. It is no different in Viz's case.

Viz would rather be safe than sorry and if it means that censoring Mr. Popo's lips can lessen the chances of being branded potential racists in the media as well as retain ad sponsorship, they'll go that route.

Sad but true.

Fans won't get anywhere if they don't try to stand up and do something.

I mean, the DBZ dvd's petition from toriyama.org worked. Just giving up and saying, "it's impossible" against Viz is the worst bad approach. The first thing people need to do is to try to catalog all the changes in the manga to get people talking about the changes and what's wrong with Viz's manga. That could help build up demand and start discussions again in the fan community.

The most important needed to enact any changes is a central location (DBZ Manga Uncensored? Or a site for all edited Viz mangas?) informing people about all the changes Viz is enacting.

Once people know what's going on they try to do something, or least build up negative buzz against Viz like Funimation endured in it's old days before it changed.

Okay, there are several things wrong with all this.

1. Online petitions aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

2. Viz doesn't care and never will care.

3. Viz did release the manga uncensored (save Popo's lips). They stopped because it's more profitable to do things this way. That's a fact.

4. What exactly did they change? All they did was remove curse words and white-out nudity.

It seems to me that you're trying to re-fight the battles of yesterday. You want to start a noble Internet crusade against an anime/manga titan and make yourself into Chris Psaros' successor. Give it up. The days of companies making major changes and Uncensored websites thriving are over, gone, and done with. You're just splitting hairs. Whether you're doing this because you really believe it or because you're trying to improve your bad reputation, I can't say, but nobody cares in any event.

[GS7X7]

Lol, SJR.... after all these years you're still feuding with me? You seem to only post at DaizEX just to randomly harass me or to play Devil's Advocate on any opinion I have on any single issue. Please give it a rest, I know you don't even like DBZ or care about it anymore.

[SJR]

You don't really know anything about me.

And I'm trying to be realistic.

[GS7X7]

I know that, as the last head of the DBZOA, you allowed DBZ Uncensored to die while giving no warning beforehand and making absolutely zero effort to try and preserve the site.

If you actually did care about DBZ- or it's fandom- you never would have done such a thing.

[Choujin Daizenshuu]

Fans won't get anywhere if they don't try to stand up and do something.

I mean, the DBZ dvd's petition from toriyama.org worked. Just giving up and saying, "it's impossible" against Viz is the worst bad approach. The first thing people need to do is to try to catalog all the changes in the manga to get people talking about the changes and what's wrong with Viz's manga. That could help build up demand and start discussions again in the fan community.

The most important needed to enact any changes is a central location (DBZ Manga Uncensored? Or a site for all edited Viz mangas?) informing people about all the changes Viz is enacting.

Once people know what's going on they try to do something, or least build up negative buzz against Viz like Funimation endured in it's old days before it changed.

Unless you can provide to Viz beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt that there is significant, profitable demand in the Teen to Adult demographic for an uncensored version of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, this is how Viz will continue their business. In short, money talks, bullshit walks.

[GS7X7]

Even if Viz doesn't listen at all (which they wouldn't unless there was a really huge number of fans complaining- which is pretty unlikely to happen) there's still strong value and merit in informing fans who don't know about all the changes they make. People should have a right to know if the work they're buying is being censored and edited or if it's being release more faithfully.

[Super Sonic]

With guys mentioning the alteration to Popo's lips, I wonder am I the only one who didn't mind it? Grant I have an obvious reason for liking it more, but was wondering if everyone else seems to hate it so much as it gets mentioned a lot.

[Choujin Daizenshuu]

Even if Viz doesn't listen at all (which they wouldn't unless there was a really huge number of fans complaining- which is pretty unlikely to happen) there's still strong value and merit in informing fans who don't know about all the changes they make. People should have a right to know if the work they're buying is being censored and edited or if it's being release more faithfully.

Fans are welcome to point out any changes they want. It's a free country. They just need to understand that Viz wants to follow the path that makes the most money for them. If there is enough fan demand for an uncensored version of DB and DBZ and it is also enough for Viz to turn a profit, then we can see a potential unedited re-release in the future. For now, we have to take what we got.

P.S. You were the last head of DBZOA? I'll have you know that Family Guy Dragon Ball Z was hands down the greatest thread I've ever read in my entire life!

[SJR]

I know that, as the last head of the DBZOA, you allowed DBZ Uncensored to die while giving no warning beforehand and making absolutely zero effort to try and preserve the site.

If you actually did care about DBZ- or it's fandom- you never would have done such a thing.

Did you expect me to buy a domain name and host the site on my own dime?

Look, the fact of the matter is that by 2007 nobody cared about DBZ Uncensored. It and the DBZOA were a relic of a bygone period. I had to choose between paying a significant amount of money to keep two dead sites online, or letting them lapse. I chose the latter. I don't regret my decision.

Sorry I can't live up to your standards.

[GS7X7]

SJR was the last head, not me.


My favorite DBZOA topics were all the political ones with Kam Islash driving people batty.

I also really liked the American DBZ Movie one (with Vin Diesel as ol' 3-eyes) and the "Funimation Babes" one, lol. We had some fine-ass pictures in that one, lol.

[GS7X7]

I know that, as the last head of the DBZOA, you allowed DBZ Uncensored to die while giving no warning beforehand and making absolutely zero effort to try and preserve the site.

If you actually did care about DBZ- or it's fandom- you never would have done such a thing.

Did you expect me to buy a domain name and host the site on my own dime?

Look, the fact of the matter is that by 2007 nobody cared about DBZ Uncensored. It and the DBZOA were a relic of a bygone period. I had to choose between paying a significant amount of money to keep two dead sites online, or letting them lapse. I chose the latter. I don't regret my decision.

Sorry I can't live up to your standards.

My only expectation I had of you as the last DBZOA head was to at least warn people ahead of time so someone could archive and preserve any site if they wished to. Chris Psaros didn't give the DBZOA his old website just so it could be erased from the internet with zero warning.

[SJR]

I actually thought about sending out an announcement via e-mail concerning the DBZOA's closing. However, I concluded that it would just have brought up old drama.

[GS7X7]

I actually thought about sending out an announcement via e-mail concerning the DBZOA's closing. However, I concluded that it would just have brought up old drama.

Azrael, Leia, and Illy each told people ahead of time before looking for a successor for the title of DBZOA's Head and there wasn't really any drama involved in the process during any of those occasions.

[TripleRach]

Seriously, if you guys have problems with each other, take it to PM. It's just derailing this thread.

Personally, I think noting all the differences between Viz's manga and the original books is a very noble cause, if only for informational purposes. It's something I considered doing myself at one point, but I'll probably never have the time for it, and I don't actually have access to Viz's books anyway. But I think Herms had a thread where he was doing comparisons.

[GS7X7]

Seriously, if you guys have problems with each other, take it to PM. It's just derailing this thread.

You know what? That is a wonderful point, I agree with you 110% (and apologize for my earlier efforts in derailing the thread), and will try that with SJR any single time we enter into an argument about old internet drama. That said, I hope he will do the same and I look forward to any robust debates we may have via PM, free from bothering others on the board.

Personally, I think noting all the differences between Viz's manga and the original books is a very noble cause, if only for informational purposes. It's something I considered doing myself at one point, but I'll probably never have the time for it, and I don't actually have access to Viz's books anyway. But I think Herms had a thread where he was doing comparisons.

It might be easiest to do it as a group effort with people who know Japanese comparing the original mangas to the Viz versions. (not sure how reliable the scans are, Viz's translations would probably be more accurate overall in terms of script except for any areas where they might censor/edit something)

[Adamant]

But I think Herms had a thread where he was doing comparisons.

Indeed he did.

It's less about censorship and more about inaccuracies in the translation, but it's pretty close to what GS7X7 is requesting.

[MCDaveG]

If they will make unaltered version, then they have my money, in instant, for whole set......
Otherwise, F**K YOU Viz!!

Well, I don't think it will happen.