The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:05 am

I'd go with Cooler. Even first form Cooler.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by FNF » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:03 am

Regular form Kids>>c18>>Cooler.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:31 am

perucho1990 wrote:Cooler vs Goten/Trunks.

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Goten/Trunks fight in base form.
The kids. A team-up wouldn't even be needed, the way I see it.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by FNF » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:55 am

Yeah the only way the Kids could possibly lose is if they entered as the Mighty Mask lol.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Rocketman » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:26 pm

Cooler kills the kids without much fuss.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:51 pm

Goten or Trunks in base form, they are... fucked.
But in SSJ form, they are... fucked... AGAIN. :twisted:
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:30 pm

If the boys get to use Super Saiyan, then either one of them alone could demolish Coola easily.

If they're restricted to base, Coola reduces them to a red sticky smear across a cliffside within minutes.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Nineteen » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:19 pm

Tullece, first fruit with Oozaru vs. Goku, from the fight with Freeza, pre-Super Saiyan.

Goku is not allowed to use Kaio-ken.

By my calculations, they ought to be right about even, both hovering around 3,000,000. Assume Tullece has the ability to control the Oozaru form, ala Vegeta.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:47 pm

Goku's power in Movie 3 was "30,000 and rising," so assuming that means around 35,000, then his power using the Kaio-Ken x10 would be around 350,000. After eating the fruit, Tullece easily bulldozed right over Goku at that power. So Tullece is probably pushing 500,000 or so. Ozaru is 10x that, putting him at 5 million, a good chunk ahead of Goku's 3 million.

Under normal circumstances, Goku might be able to put up a fight at a 3-to-5 disadvantage (he may well have been doing so against Freeza, even), but since he can't use the Kaio-Ken to close that gap, and Tullece is just plain freakin' huge, he has very little chance of overcoming him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:58 pm

Without Kaio-Ken, Goku is seriously outmatched against Tullece here.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by FNF » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:55 pm

Tullece would be like 'monkey smash!' and it would be gameover for Goku.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by perucho1990 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:55 pm

Yakon vs Buu Saga Gohan(Before training in the Kaioshin World)

Gohan fights in BASE.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:36 pm

Yakon wins. I don't even think Goku was much stronger than Yakon, if at all, so I don't see a weaker Gohan doing any better.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by FNF » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:12 pm

Base Goku could fight Yakon in the dark but still chose to go SSjin.
After they realised that Yakon could suck SSjin out of Goku, Gohan suggested that they fought Yakon together.

IMO Yakon is stronger than base Goku let alone a much weaker Gohan.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:07 pm

I'm unsure about it. I think Gohan could win though, Yakon doesn't seem much of a fighter.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:55 am

I think Yakon is moderately stronger than base Goku, mostly based on Gohan's reactions; at first, he's like, "no problem, Dad's got this." Then when Super Saiyan was seemingly out of the picture, he was all like, "uh-oh, I'd better jump in to help."

Given that Gohan is noticeably weaker than Goku at that point, he has very little chance against Yakon on his own if restricted to his normal form.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Fox666 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:38 am

Actually I think that Yakon was a whole lot stronger than Goku, since Dabura tought it was a miracle that Yakon was defeated.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by hleV » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:06 am

FNF wrote:Base Goku could fight Yakon in the dark but still chose to go SSjin.
Goku went SSJ to enlighten the environment.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Fox666 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:26 am

Well, Goku was kind of showing off. But it's interesting that Gohan proposed to help Goku after Yakon sucked his Super Saiyan.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:27 am

Fox666 wrote:Well, Goku was kind of showing off. But it's interesting that Gohan proposed to help Goku after Yakon sucked his Super Saiyan 2.
No, Super Saiyan 2 is what killed Yakon. Yakon sucked the Super Saiyan energy.
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