Dragon Ball Z's ending

[dbboxkaifan]

Son Goku flies off with Oob (reincarnation of Majin Boo -- Pure Evil Boo) to train him and then have a real match (not shown), and afterwards the series ends.

If this is from the actual manga:

How come Toriyama didn't give DBZ a better ending? Didn't he care as much for the series at this point?

DBZ Ep. 286 would've been better, Goku with his Super Genki Dama blew away Majin Boo for good and Earth was finally saved. GT's or Kai's end was actually more entertaining/better, though, for Kai I prefer Ep. 96 (where Son Goku appears in the background reminding everyone he was the saviour).

[Michsi]

I liked this ending because it didn't feel so much like an ending. It sorta implies that they're adventures continue.
The GT ending has a certain bittersweetness to it, sure, but it also feels a little more final than Toriyama's version. Like it's really over.

Edit: I don't like Toriyama's alternative ending though.

Edit 2: It just now occured to me how the last line of this manga is "Don't worry, they still have the dragonballs" and that DBGT ending saga was about punishment for relying too much on the dragonballs

[Kendamu]

There was something in that last chapter that said something along the lines of, "Now you need to see into their world through your own eyes." It was less of an ending and more of a... well, I dunno how to put it.

I'd say, though, Goku taking the greatest evil in the history of evil; one that almost destroyed the living world and the afterlife, and having it reincarnated as a good human boy so that he can train the boy to defend the universe is a pretty good ending.

[Bussani]

How come Toriyama didn't give DBZ a better ending?

"Better" is subjective. I like the ending. I may have liked a different ending better, but I have no beef with the one he did. I, too, prefer the original to the Kanzenban one, though.

[Haji]

Yeah DBZ had the better ending. GT as just an anime, is ok. But for something to add to DBZ, no.

Maybe someday, that true continuation of DragonBall will be made.

[Rocketman]

There was something in that last chapter that said something along the lines of, "Now you need to see into their world through your own eyes." It was less of an ending and more of a... well, I dunno how to put it.

More of a "fuck you, I'm done", I think you mean.

[Saiga]

How come Toriyama didn't give DBZ a better ending?

Because the ending was already perfect, there can be no making it better

In all seriousness, I like that ending. I wouldn't have it any other way.

[Gohaz]

It's a nice ending...

And maybe he was drawing the tournament, and out of the blue he thought "Hey! Time to end it!", and there you go :d

[Akumaito Beam]

There was something in that last chapter that said something along the lines of, "Now you need to see into their world through your own eyes." It was less of an ending and more of a... well, I dunno how to put it.

More of a "fuck you, I'm done", I think you mean.

Yup, I can almost hear Toriyama looking over this chapter and muttering "fine, whatever".

[Fox666]

For me it's a reasonable good ending. Goku is looking for a new opponent, Vegeta turned in a family man, etc. And the Oob feels very Dragon Ball like, especially looking at the beggining of the series.

Of course the ending of the Cell saga was better due to the darker tone. Especially considering it ends with Trunks returning to his own time.

[andrewtuell1991]

I, too, prefer the original to the Kanzenban one, though.

Wha-?? I though the extra add-ons in the Kanzenban where perfect (no pun intended). Goku giving Oob the Kinto Un as a way of showing he's really passing down the torch was genius IMO.

I also like the narration box better in the Kanzenban where it basically says "There will be more challenges and opponents to overcome but it'll be okay because earth has some incredible guys" over the Tankobon's "Don't worry if these idiots fuck up again the Dragon Balls will make everything normal again. Derp!"

And what really made the Kanzenban ending awesome IMO was giving the final line of the series to Vegeta: "Sooner or later, Kakarrot, I WILL show you defeat... Hmph!"

All these years and Vegeta still wants to defeat Goku. Will he ever learn?

[Michsi]

Wha-?? I though the extra add-ons in the Kanzenban where perfect (no pun intended). Goku giving Oob the Kinto Un as a way of showing he's really passing down the torch was genius IMO.

.....All these years and Vegeta still wants to defeat Goku. Will he ever learn?

It's because it ends with Vegeta's wish to defeat Goku that ruins it for me. It ruins the whole feel-good mood and sets all that character development he supposedly went through during the Buu Saga back a few steps.

Whereas in the original, the last image we have of Vegeta is him being laid back and amused , this one shows that side of him that he was supposed to have gotten over.
Also Vegeta was an important figure in the story but no so important as too end the whole story with him.

And the whole Goku-Uub symbolism didn't sit so well with me. I know it's same idea in the original but they put emphasis on something that I wasn't really happy with back then either. Uub being Goku's succesor ....I don't know...

Is it true that they didn't use this alternative ending in the latest release of the manga, or was that just VIZ?

[Super Vegito]

No matter what, I'll always believe A.T. should have ended it at the Frieza saga. Goku becomes the legendary Super Saiyan, avenges his fellow saiyans and friends by killing the evil tyrant of the universe, then selflessly dies in Namek's explosion.

But nooo, Goku had to magically escape the explosion, and return to Earth sometime later. Freeza survives Goku's ki blast AND the explosion, then Super Saiyan becomes a joke, with everyone becoming one, and villians easily out matching them... as much as I love Super Saiyan 2, Cell, and Majin Buu... it wasn't worth it.

Just my personal opinion.

[DBZ Mick]

I don't mind the ending, it was just a little abrupt and sudden. I also liked the Kanzenban ending which showed Goku had come full circle even if he was going to train Oob for a selfish reason. I didn't like Vegeta's part though like Michsi mentioned- somewhat ruin's Vegeta's redemption.

But...

No matter what, I'll always believe A.T. should have ended it at the Freeza saga. Goku becomes the legendary Super Saiyan, avenges his fellow saiyans and friends by killing the evil tyrant of the universe, then selflessly dies in Namek's explosion.

But nooo, Goku had to magically escape the explosion, and return to Earth sometime later. Freeza survives Goku's ki blast AND the explosion, then Super Saiyan becomes a joke, with everyone becoming one, and villians easily out matching them... as much as I love Super Saiyan 2, Cell, and Majin Buu... it wasn't worth it.

Just my personal opinion.

As a whole I agree with this. Goku was Dragonball's main character and I think ending it with Freeza and Son going becoming the Legendary SSJ would have been perfect.

[Saiga]

No matter what, I'll always believe A.T. should have ended it at the Freeza saga. Goku becomes the legendary Super Saiyan, avenges his fellow saiyans and friends by killing the evil tyrant of the universe, then selflessly dies in Namek's explosion.

But nooo, Goku had to magically escape the explosion, and return to Earth sometime later. Freeza survives Goku's ki blast AND the explosion, then Super Saiyan becomes a joke, with everyone becoming one, and villians easily out matching them... as much as I love Super Saiyan 2, Cell, and Majin Buu... it wasn't worth it.

Just my personal opinion.

I couldn't disagree with this more. There are still too many loose ends that wouldn't be cleaned up. And the Super Saiyan doesn't become a joke at all, I don't see how you think that.

[Bussani]

And what really made the Kanzenban ending awesome IMO was giving the final line of the series to Vegeta: "Sooner or later, Kakarrot, I WILL show you defeat... Hmph!"

I'm okay with everything else, but I disliked this for the reasons Michsi wrote above.

Super Saiyan becomes a joke, with everyone becoming one, and villians easily out matching them...

To me that's the whole point of Dragon Ball: there's always a new challenge.

[DBZ Mick]

No matter what, I'll always believe A.T. should have ended it at the Freeza saga. Goku becomes the legendary Super Saiyan, avenges his fellow saiyans and friends by killing the evil tyrant of the universe, then selflessly dies in Namek's explosion.

But nooo, Goku had to magically escape the explosion, and return to Earth sometime later. Freeza survives Goku's ki blast AND the explosion, then Super Saiyan becomes a joke, with everyone becoming one, and villians easily out matching them... as much as I love Super Saiyan 2, Cell, and Majin Buu... it wasn't worth it.

Just my personal opinion.

I couldn't disagree with this more. There are still too many loose ends that wouldn't be cleaned up. And the Super Saiyan doesn't become a joke at all, I don't see how you think that.

I have to disagree. What loose ends? Goku's character reached it's peak, Piccolo found redemption. I kinda like that it's open ended like it is at the end of Freeza with Vegeta still being a possible threat. Super Saiyan does become a joke somewhat. Here we have a legend that was well written and built up during the Namek and Freeza arcs and then suddenly everybody can become one... And there are two levels above it...

[Rocketman]

There are still too many loose ends that wouldn't be cleaned up.

Like what?

[Saiga]

Vegeta being alive, for one. If Goku died, he would have just killed everybody else and been on his merry way.

[roidrage]

Wha-?? I though the extra add-ons in the Kanzenban where perfect (no pun intended). Goku giving Oob the Kinto Un as a way of showing he's really passing down the torch was genius IMO.

.....All these years and Vegeta still wants to defeat Goku. Will he ever learn?

It's because it ends with Vegeta's wish to defeat Goku that ruins it for me. It ruins the whole feel-good mood and sets all that character development he supposedly went through during the Buu Saga back a few steps.

Whereas in the original, the last image we have of Vegeta is him being laid back and amused , this one shows that side of him that he was supposed to have gotten over.
Also Vegeta was an important figure in the story but no so important as too end the whole story with him.

And the whole Goku-Uub symbolism didn't sit so well with me. I know it's same idea in the original but they put emphasis on something that I wasn't really happy with back then either. Uub being Goku's succesor ....I don't know...

Is it true that they didn't use this alternative ending in the latest release of the manga, or was that just VIZ?

I think the idea is that even if Vegeta is still the same grump he always was, he's different, and his rivalry with Goku is much more friendly. I always interpreted that bit as less of a "I'm going to re-devote my whole life to beating you!" and more of a nostalgic, rather rueful, "Yeah, whatever. I'll get you yet."