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by FNF » Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:26 am
hleV wrote:FNF wrote:Base Goku could fight Yakon in the dark but still chose to go SSjin.
Goku went SSJ to enlighten the environment.
He was really just doing that to show off.
He had proven that he could fight Yakon in the dark and then he was like 'hey i've brought my spare torch'.
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by hleV » Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:48 am
FNF wrote:hleV wrote:FNF wrote:Base Goku could fight Yakon in the dark but still chose to go SSjin.
Goku went SSJ to enlighten the environment.
He was really just doing that to show off.
He had proven that he could fight Yakon in the dark and then he was like 'hey i've brought my spare torch'.
Proving my point that Goku going SSJ shouldn't be brought in as an argument when trying to figure out base Goku's strength against Yakon.
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by Silkman3003 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:20 pm
I have one!
Ssj3 gotenks vs Super buu(Piccolo, goten, and trunks absorbed). I specified goten and trunks so that Super buu can use Super ghost kamikaze like Buuhan
- Gotenks is aware of Super Buu's absorption
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by Fox666 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:56 pm
Super Boo would win for sure, even without anyone absorbed. Super Saiyan 3 is not very usefull against opponents around the same level, especially if they can regenerate from the tiniest piece. And in Gotenks it's even worse, since he always forget about the time limit.
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by Saiga » Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:55 pm
Gotenks would win, he was just seconds away from finishing Boo before he reverted to base and than split. I assume this time, he'd know better than to muck around.
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by Silkman3003 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:09 pm
Fox666 wrote:Super Boo would win for sure, even without anyone absorbed. Super Saiyan 3 is not very usefull against opponents around the same level, especially if they can regenerate from the tiniest piece. And in Gotenks it's even worse, since he always forget about the time limit.
Sorry, I forgot to say that the time limit doesn't count in this.
But you do have a point with the regeneration aspect.
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by perucho1990 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:45 pm
This one was probably discussed.
Bardock vs Saiyan Saga Goku
With the Conditions that Goku doesnt use the Kaioken X2 and up.
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by CaBrPi » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:51 pm
perucho1990 wrote:This one was probably discussed.
Bardock vs Saiyan Saga Goku
With the Conditions that Goku doesnt use the Kaioken X2 and up.
Bardock, definitely. If I recall correctly, Bardock had a power level of 10,000 in the TV special, but Saiyan arc Goku was hovering above 8,000. Now, if Goku could use the Kaioken (I know you said he couldn't), he'd win.
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by Kaboom » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:03 pm
SSj3 Gotenks VS Piccolo-Boo:
Hmmm... hard to tell. It all depends on how much, if at all, stronger than Boo you think Gotenks is. If it was a relatively small gap, then Piccolo and the individual boys MIGHT help tip the scales a little bit for Boo.
Goku VS Bardock:
Also hard to tell. Goku would be at a slight disadvantage in power, but his superior skill might let him pull off a win.
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by perucho1990 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:13 pm
CaBrPi wrote:perucho1990 wrote:This one was probably discussed.
Bardock vs Saiyan Saga Goku
With the Conditions that Goku doesnt use the Kaioken X2 and up.
Bardock, definitely. If I recall correctly, Bardock had a power level of 10,000 in the TV special, but Saiyan arc Goku was hovering above 8,000. Now, if Goku could use the Kaioken (I know you said he couldn't), he'd win.
Wasnt the Kaikoken he used on Nappa Kaoiken X 1.5?
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by Rocketman » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:31 pm
Gotenks vs Piccolo-Buu
I'd give it to Piccolo-Buu because he's now part Piccolo, and the two fighters are close enough in power that Piccolo's intelligence matters.
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by CaBrPi » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:36 pm
perucho1990 wrote:CaBrPi wrote:perucho1990 wrote:This one was probably discussed.
Bardock vs Saiyan Saga Goku
With the Conditions that Goku doesnt use the Kaioken X2 and up.
Bardock, definitely. If I recall correctly, Bardock had a power level of 10,000 in the TV special, but Saiyan arc Goku was hovering above 8,000. Now, if Goku could use the Kaioken (I know you said he couldn't), he'd win.
Wasnt the Kaikoken he used on Nappa Kaoiken X 1.5?
Ah, dang it. I had a feeling I was overlooking something. Was it ever confirmed that the regular Kaioken is a 1.5x multiplier?
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by Kaboom » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:40 pm
No, the regular Kaio-Ken doubles your power, as described by the narrator. Toriyama seems to have just slipped up a bit with the descriptions, or something.
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by Kaboom » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:29 pm
That's kind of tough... the defining trait for both of them seems to be that they're total tanks; they can keep soaking up damage and coming back for more. It'd be a battle of who can last long enough to dish out more punishment than their opponent can take.
However, given that Nappa demonstrated such tenacity against someone twice his power level (whereas Recoome went down rather quickly in a similar situation), I think at even levels he'd probably emerge victorious, though certainly not unscathed.
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by Nineteen » Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:47 pm
Piccolo (post-Nail fusion) vs. Lord Slug (Young)
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by Michsi » Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:00 pm
Lord Slug....I think....
Unless Piccolo rips put his ears again and starts to whistle himself.
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by rereboy » Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:29 pm
perucho1990 wrote:CaBrPi wrote:perucho1990 wrote:This one was probably discussed.
Bardock vs Saiyan Saga Goku
With the Conditions that Goku doesnt use the Kaioken X2 and up.
Bardock, definitely. If I recall correctly, Bardock had a power level of 10,000 in the TV special, but Saiyan arc Goku was hovering above 8,000. Now, if Goku could use the Kaioken (I know you said he couldn't), he'd win.
Wasnt the Kaikoken he used on Nappa Kaoiken X 1.5?
No. Regular Kaioken and Kaioken x2 are the same thing. The x2 was used to help the reader tell regular Kaioken apart from Kaioken x3 and so on, as well as making easy to understand just how much stronger the user is with that technique.
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by Fox666 » Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:55 pm
rereboy wrote:No. Regular Kaioken and Kaioken x2 are the same thing. The x2 was used to help the reader tell regular Kaioken apart from Kaioken x3 and so on, as well as making easy to understand just how much stronger the user is with that technique.
Mostly. The Daizenshuu still seems to have problems to distinguish beetween them.
However as soon as Goku used the "regular Kaio-ken" against Nappa, he has a flashback of Kaio telling him to not raise his power beyond two times, so it was set up a two times multiplier from the beggining. The narrator also mention that the "regular Kaio-ken" doubles Goku strength during the fight with Vegeta.
Considering Vegeta would later be estabilished to have a battle power of 18,000 the "regular Kaio-ken" and Kaio-ken times 2 can only be the same thing.
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by Saiga » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:48 pm
Nineteen wrote:Piccolo (post-Nail fusion) vs. Lord Slug (Young)
Lord Slug, definitely. According to one of the other threads here, he was supposed to be stronger than Freeza.
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