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Piccolo Daimao
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:46 am
perucho1990 wrote:Yakon vs. Boo arc Gohan (pre-Kaioshin training)
I think Goku was just about stronger than Yakon, so now Gohan's somewhat weaker than Goku due to not training for 7 years, Yakon would win with some effort.
Silkman3003 wrote:SSj3 Gotenks vs. Piccolo-Boo
SSj3 Gotenks was slightly stronger than Super Boo, because he was about to finish him off before his fusion time ran out. But with Piccolo's power and intelligence, that would give Boo enough of an edge to win over the showboating Gotenks.
perucho1990 wrote:Saiyan arc Goku vs. Bardock
If this is before Bardock's Zenkai, then Goku wins with little effort. If this is after Bardock's Zenkai, then Bardock wins with little effort.
In Brightest Day wrote:Recoom vs. Nappa
Both are absolute tanks, but I give the win to Nappa because I see Recoom as a bit of a showboater who'd occasionally drop his guard to perform his poses.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
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by Michsi » Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:07 am
But with Piccolo's power and intelligence, that would give Boo enough of an edge to win over the showboating Gotenks.
This. He doesn't even need to make use of the increase in power. Buu was shown to be aware of the time limit once he absorbed Piccolo, something that Gotenks himself isn't. All he needs to do is drag the fight long enough which should be no problem whatsoever. Gotenks would also make it way to easy with his tendencey to fool around.
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:09 am
Michsi wrote:But with Piccolo's power and intelligence, that would give Boo enough of an edge to win over the showboating Gotenks.
This. He doesn't even need to make use of the increase in power. Buu was shown to be aware of the time limit once he absorbed Piccolo, something that Gotenks himself isn't. All he needs to do is drag the fight long enough which should be no problem whatsoever. Gotenks would also make it way to easy with his tendencey to fool around.
Silkman3003 said that the time limit doesn't count in this. But I agree with everything else.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
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by Michsi » Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:44 am
Ah, I only saw the initial post. Well, the limit thing could be used as an example of Buu making use of Piccolo's intelligence.
Then I suppose the increase in power would make a difference. He would probably be a lot more level headed and patient compared to his original self and that might do some good too.
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by Saiga » Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:54 am
Without a time limit, Gotenks rofl stomps.
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by perucho1990 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:44 am
Saiga wrote:Nineteen wrote:Piccolo (post-Nail fusion) vs. Lord Slug (Young)
Lord Slug, definitely. According to one of the other threads here, he was supposed to be stronger than Freeza.
The same Slug that couldnt tank Kaioken X10? lol.
Another fight that was probably discussed.
Super Android 13 vs Imperfect Cell(When he beat up Piccolo and #17).
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:52 am
SSJ3 Broli vs Majin Boo (Evil)
Broli has the same power he had in Movie 10, plus the x4 SSJ3 boost.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by hleV » Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:41 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:SSJ3 Broli vs Majin Boo (Evil)
Broli has the same power he had in Movie 10, plus the x4 SSJ3 boost.
What about the x2 SSJ2 boost?
If movie #10
LSSJ Broli ~ SSJ2 Goku and
Gotenks ~ 8x Goku (if not, then ignore this), then:
- LSSJ Broli ~ SSJ2 Goku
LSSJ2 Broli ~ x2 SSJ2 Goku
LSSJ3 Broli ~ x2 SSJ3 Goku
SSJ Gotenks ~ SSJ3 Goku
SSJ2 Gotenks ~ x2 SSJ3 Goku (~ LSSJ3 Broli)
SSJ3 Gotenks >> Evil Boo
Evil Boo > SSJ2 Gotenks (~ LSSJ3 Broli)
So LSSJ3 would be on SSJ2 Gotenks' level, and Evil Boo should be stronger than that, and thus win the fight.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:11 pm
hleV wrote:What about the x2 SSJ2 boost?
It's debatable if Broli can go SSJ2 after LSSJ.
hleV wrote:SSJ Gotenks ~ SSJ3 Goku
SSJ3 Gotenks >> Evil Boo
Gotenks isn't THAT strong.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Fox666 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:34 pm
If Broli can transform in Super Saiyan 3 in videogames, I guess he can transform in Super Saiyan 2...
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by hleV » Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:47 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:hleV wrote:What about the x2 SSJ2 boost?
It's debatable if Broli can go SSJ2 after LSSJ.
Broli goes SSJ -> SSJ2 -> SSJ3, LSSJ being included between SSJ and SSJ3. Transformations can be skippable, but multipliers are applied of all of them. I don't see how this can be argued.
hleV wrote:SSJ Gotenks ~ SSJ3 Goku
SSJ3 Gotenks >> Evil Boo
Gotenks isn't THAT strong.
So how strong is he then?
- SSJ3 Goku > Fat Boo > SSJ2 Goku
SSJ Gotenks was estimated by Goku to be more than enough to finish off Fat Boo for good, so I'm assuming he should be on par with SSJ3 Goku, who's said to could have killed Fat Boo too. And keep in mind that Goten and Trunks improved in the ROSAT, so Gotenks should be even stronger than that. I'd say putting SSJ Gotenks on SSJ3 Goku's level is a good choice.
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by Fox666 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:31 pm
Gotenks was estimated, but not direct refered.
While in Kaioshin Realm, Goku briefly mentioned that he couldn't sense Gotenks Ki after they entered in the RoSaT, and supposedly the Ki of nobody besides Goku as a Super Saiyan 3 could be sensed that far. I suppose that's a good reference.
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:33 pm
What about Kuririn vs. Yamcha (22nd TB)?
While Kuririn claimed that Yamcha was "about as good as [him]", he still started training with Kame-sennin three years before him and was already stronger than him at the 21st Tenka'ichi Budokai, and by the time Yamcha started training with Kame-sennin, Kuririn would've been training either by himself or with Kame-sennin rather than under him. However, Yamcha had mastered the Kamehameha, which, if he was unable to dodge it, could damage Kuririn enough for Yamcha to take the win.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
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by Michsi » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:37 pm
he still started training with Kame-sennin three years before him
Wasn't it only a few (8?) months between Goku and Kuririn becomming Roshi's students and the 21 Tournament?
For some reason, I think Yamcha would be somewhat sronger than him here.
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:41 pm
Michsi wrote:he still started training with Kame-sennin three years before him
Wasn't it only a few (8?) months between Goku and Kuririn becomming Roshi's students and the 21 Tournament?
Oh yeah, for some reason, I was thinking of the gap between the 21st and 22nd Tenka'ichi Budokai. Yeah, Goku and Kuririn trained for 8 months under Kame-sennin, then the whole Red Ribbon Army and Uranai Baba stuff went down, and then Yamcha was accepted to train under Kame-sennin.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:11 pm
hleV wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:hleV wrote:What about the x2 SSJ2 boost?
It's debatable if Broli can go SSJ2 after LSSJ.
Broli goes SSJ -> SSJ2 -> SSJ3, LSSJ being included between SSJ and SSJ3. Transformations can be skippable, but multipliers are applied of all of them. I don't see how this can be argued.
There is the theory of SSJ2 being replaced by LSSJ.
hleV wrote:SSJ Gotenks ~ SSJ3 Goku
SSJ3 Gotenks >> Evil Boo
Gotenks isn't THAT strong.
So how strong is he then?
- SSJ3 Goku > Fat Boo > SSJ2 Goku
SSJ Gotenks was estimated by Goku to be more than enough to finish off Fat Boo for good, so I'm assuming he should be on par with SSJ3 Goku, who's said to could have killed Fat Boo too. And keep in mind that Goten and Trunks improved in the ROSAT, so Gotenks should be even stronger than that. I'd say putting SSJ Gotenks on SSJ3 Goku's level is a good choice.[/quote]
But that doesn't explain why SSJ3 Gotenks is way stronger than Evil Boo. I would put it like this: SSJ3 Gotenks >/= Evil Boo
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by hleV » Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:13 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
But that doesn't explain why SSJ3 Gotenks is way stronger than Evil Boo. I would put it like this: SSJ3 Gotenks >/= Evil Boo
Why SSJ3 Gotenks being stronger than Evil Boo has to be explained in the first place? He was owning Evil Boo all the way
while not taking the fight too seriously, Evil Boo surviving only thanks to his regenerating abilities.
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by Rocketman » Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:14 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:SSJ Gotenks was estimated by Goku to be more than enough to finish off Fat Boo for good
The kids hadn't even learned the fusion dance when Goku said that. He was bullshitting to buy more time.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:18 pm
Rocketman wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:SSJ Gotenks was estimated by Goku to be more than enough to finish off Fat Boo for good
The kids hadn't even learned the fusion dance when Goku said that. He was bullshitting to buy more time.
It was
hleV who said this, not me. But I agree with what you said.
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by hleV » Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:19 pm
Rocketman wrote:
The kids hadn't even learned the fusion dance when Goku said that. He was bullshitting to buy more time.
Goku would've killed Fat Boo himself if he didn't believe in that.
