The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Piccolo Daimao]

That he ended up being such an air head is another matter and nobody could have predicted that.

Of course, no-one could've predicted that two already-airheaded 7 and 8-year-old kids with incredible power merging together would become just as much, if not even moreso, of an airheaded kid with even more incredible power.

[Michsi]

Of course, no-one could've predicted that two already-airheaded 7 and 8-year-old kids with incredible power merging together would become just as much, if not even moreso, of an airheaded kid with even more incredible power.

Yes, who would think that the two kids who had their family and friends murdered would still think of this as a game, especially since they showed Goku that they were pretty serious about it.
And Goku only met them for a few hours at most. Judging power is his specialty, but character, maybe not so much.
Again, this was just about strength and Gotenks potential, where Goku had been right.

The others, who knew the kids , didn't take that into consideration either. His stupidity and arrogance took everyone by surprise.

[FNF]

Goku knew how effective the fusion dance was thus making what Goku said completely legit.

SSjin Gotenks(pre RoSaT)>/=SSjin3 Goku>Fat Buu is completely supported by Goku's statements and Gotenks being sensed from the Kaioshin realm (pre RoSaT).

I could believe in that wasn't for Goku turning senile at this point of the series.

Technically Gotenks doesn't need to be equal to Goku, everyone was flabbergasted by Goku new transformed, but not so much by Gotenks.

If we estimate the strength of the fat Majin Boo based on that Gohan filled half of the energy required to revive him, he should be around half of Goku strength as a Super Saiyan 3, and that leaves a lot of room for Gotenks.

Goku was only sensed from the Kaioshin realm after fully transforming and it was noted that his Ki was continuously rising.
In short, no Ki lower than SSjin3 Goku was sensed. Either you make Gotenks stronger, or equal.

[Kaboom]

I think an important distinction needs to be made here. Nothing says a Ki has to be exceptionally large in order to be sensed from the Kaioshin Realm. But only SSj3 Goku and Evil Boo's Kis were ever noted to actually grab the attention of everyone up there. I think there's a difference.

Obviously it's not proof of anything, but nobody should be claiming as definitive fact that Gotenks HAS to be that strong in order to be sensed at all. That's not necessarily the case.

[Saiga]

Wut?

I don't think Piccolo is anywhere near that much stronger than Goku. I think Young Slug is around a million or so before becoming a Giant. Piccolo shouldn't have much difficulty here.

Daimao, it's in that Coola's Battle Power thread. Herms said the scan says Goku used a Kaio-Ken X100.

http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... =8&t=18721

Becoming a giant doesn't raise power level though, and Slug was already kicking the shit out of Goku before that. Slug would have to be stronger than Goku to begin with, and I think this movie was meant to take place after the Freeza saga (despite coming out in the middle of it, that's how Toei rolls) so Goku would be stronger than 1,000,000.

[FNF]

I think an important distinction needs to be made here. Nothing says a Ki has to be exceptionally large in order to be sensed from the Kaioshin Realm. But only SSj3 Goku and Evil Boo's Kis were ever noted to actually grab the attention of everyone up there. I think there's a difference.

Obviously it's not proof of anything, but nobody should be claiming as definitive fact that Gotenks HAS to be that strong in order to be sensed at all. That's not necessarily the case.

Gohan's Ki didn't grab everyone's attention. Does that mean he's weaker than SSjin3 Goku and Evil Buu? It wasn't mentioned at that moment for suspense, the same way that SSjin Gotenks' Ki wasn't.
Hell Piccolo did say;

“…Yeah…Your ki really is absolutely incredible”

In my eyes it's him saying that Gotenks was as good as Goku made him out to be [stronger than Goku himself].

[Fox666]

Perhaps only a glimpse of Gohan Ki reached the Earth, so only Evil Boo, who was concentraded at the moment, noticed it.

I think an important distinction needs to be made here. Nothing says a Ki has to be exceptionally large in order to be sensed from the Kaioshin Realm. But only SSj3 Goku and Evil Boo's Kis were ever noted to actually grab the attention of everyone up there. I think there's a difference.

Obviously it's not proof of anything, but nobody should be claiming as definitive fact that Gotenks HAS to be that strong in order to be sensed at all. That's not necessarily the case.

When Goku teleported to Enma palace, he mentioned that from that place he could sense the Ki of Gohan (despite him training as a Super Saiyan for a while) but not from Earth. But I guess it is possible that Goku didn't knew where to look for Gohan's Ki, he was taken by surprise in the afterlife, afterall.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Wut?

I don't think Piccolo is anywhere near that much stronger than Goku. I think Young Slug is around a million or so before becoming a Giant. Piccolo shouldn't have much difficulty here.

Daimao, it's in that Coola's Battle Power thread. Herms said the scan says Goku used a Kaio-Ken X100.

http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... =8&t=18721

Becoming a giant doesn't raise power level though, and Slug was already kicking the shit out of Goku before that. Slug would have to be stronger than Goku to begin with, and I think this movie was meant to take place after the Freeza saga (despite coming out in the middle of it, that's how Toei rolls) so Goku would be stronger than 1,000,000.

It raised Slug's power in the movie. Kaio only said his power potentially surpassed Freeza and a Super Saiyan once he began to change into a giant. That's also when he started calling him a Super Namek or whatever. He can be stronger than Goku without being over a million.

[Silkman3003]

I have one!
Super Hatchyack and Lssj Broly vs Perfect Cell and Bojack!

A few notes
- This is Movie 8 Broly
-Hatchyack starts off in his "Super form"
- Bojack starts off in his full form
-Perfect Cell isn't holding back(but obviously isn't at his SPC form)

Which duo wins?


Base Hatchyack feats
0:17 -7:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq9_9SCR ... re=related
Super Hatchyack feats(2:35)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rx5rGdN ... r_embedded

[Saiga]

I have one!
Super Hatchyack and Lssj Broly vs Perfect Cell and Bojack!

A few notes
- This is Movie 8 Broly
-Hatchyack starts off in his "Super form"
- Bojack starts off in his full form
-Perfect Cell isn't holding back(but obviously isn't at his SPC form)

Which duo wins?


Base Hatchyack feats
0:17 -7:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq9_9SCR ... re=related
Super Hatchyack feats(2:35)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rx5rGdN ... r_embedded

Super Hatchyack and Broly, I think. I'd say Bojack is the weakest one there.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I think Hatchyack and Broly would win. I don't think Cell and Bojack are strong enough to do anything here.

[FNF]

Isn't Super Hatchiyack stated somewhere to be over 10x[?] stronger than LSSjin Broly (movie 8 )? I remember seeing it from somewhere (an official source I think).

Anyway Super Hatchiyack>>LSSjin Broly(movie 8 )>>Perfect Cell(Full Power)>FP Bojack

It's a pretty straight forward versus imo.

[Silkman3003]

wait 10x over broly?o_O

Would be interesting to see. Since the only video I found of Super Hatchyack had no subtitles.

[FNF]

Hmmm I remember where I seen it now. It was from the MFG character biographies [unofficial derp ]. Anyway, the original source might be official.

[Fox666]

Very unlikely, it doesn't seems like that the official sources care to compare the villain of one movie to another.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Very unlikely, it doesn't seems like that the official sources care to compare the villain of one movie to another.

Goku said for Base Hatchiyack that his power is greater than Broli. As for Super Hatchiyack though, I don't know.

[perucho1990]

Gero and #19 vs Frieza and Cold.

[FNF]

c20 and c19. It is never contradicted that they would be able to stomp SSjin Trunks(Trunks arc).

c20/19>SSjin Trunks>Mecha Freeza>Organic Freeza>King Cold.

[Kaboom]

19 and 20 would be at a noticeable power disadvantage at first, but they can most likely last long enough to absorb enough of Freeza and Cold's Ki to pull off a win.

[FNF]

But Trunks never mentioned their absorbing capabilities so surely in Piccolo and co's minds they were able to beat Trunks without absorbing.