The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kaboom]

Not quite. Both Piccolo and Vegeta each at one point wonder whether the two Androids were all they were cracked up to be, and then soon thereafter, 17 and 18 were introduced as "the REAL threats." I, personally, don't feel that either 19 or 20 were above Freeza until they absorbed a good deal of energy, though 20 started out pretty close.

[FNF]

20 and 19 were still never said to be weaker than SSjin Trunks. Only that they weren't the invincible monsters that they were made out to be.

[Fox666]

Piccolo: “Don’t worry about it. Even Trunks as a Super Saiyan was done in with more or less one blow. It wouldn’t have made any difference if you had come.”

I appears Trunks was still stronger than even Piccolo, so he should be able to easily defeat no.19 and 20 as much as Piccolo.

20 and 19 were still never said to be weaker than SSjin Trunks. Only that they weren't the invincible monsters that they were made out to be.

Aren't they called monsters because not even Trunks could defeat them?

[FNF]

Piccolo: “Don’t worry about it. Even Trunks as a Super Saiyan was done in with more or less one blow. It wouldn’t have made any difference if you had come.”

I appears Trunks was still stronger than even Piccolo, so he should be able to easily defeat no.19 and 20 as much as Piccolo.

I was talking about SSjin Trunks after Goku arrived back from Yardrat.

20 and 19 were still never said to be weaker than SSjin Trunks. Only that they weren't the invincible monsters that they were made out to be.

Aren't they called monsters because not even Trunks could defeat them?

Trunks: “3 years from this current era, on May 12th around 10:00 AM, a terrifying pair will appear on an island 9 kilometers to the southwest of South City…Monsters with tremendous power unlike anything in this world…”
Goku: “For you, a Super Saiyan who instantly defeated Freeza and co., to call them monsters is really something…
Trunks “Yes…I’ve stood against them, but unfortunately…In any case, I’m up against two of them…Even fighting one-on-one, I could barely manage to escape…”

Trunks was making them out to be invincible from the start.

[Kaboom]

That's what happens when things get retconned. At first, 19 and 20 were the ones getting the hype, but later on the message switched to, "oh, they're not a big deal. 17 and 18 are actually the ones Trunks gets beaten by and is afraid of."

[FNF]

Just because they weren't as strong as c18 and c17 it doesn't mean they were weaker than Freeza. That's never suggested.

[Kaboom]

No, but it does mean that they're not necessarily stronger than Trunks. Which, in turn, means they can be placed wherever the individual feels they are most appropriate. For me, that particular "sweet spot" is somewhat below Freeza before their Ki absorption, and somewhat above Freeza after it.

[perucho1990]

Just because they weren't as strong as c18 and c17 it doesn't mean they were weaker than Freeza. That's never suggested.

Piccolo roflstomped Gero and Krillin compared him to a SSJ.

The Androids are as strong as Freeza, imo.

[FNF]

Just because they weren't as strong as c18 and c17 it doesn't mean they were weaker than Freeza. That's never suggested.

Piccolo roflstomped Gero and Krillin compared him to a SSJ.

The Androids are as strong as Freeza, imo.

Well, Piccolo pretty much says he's far stronger than SSjin Trunks (Trunks arc);

Piccolo: “How about it, Son Goku…Frankly, do you think we can win against this enemy…”
Goku: “There’s no way I could know that without even seeing them. I’ll answer once I give it a try.”
Piccolo: “You’re pretty carefree…It’s not like I lack confidence…However, I can’t clear this uneasy premonition from my mind…”

c19 and c20 could still easily be above Freeza and even SSjin Trunks (Trunks arc).

[Fox666]

Technically he is confident that "we [Piccolo, Goku and the others] can win", so it doesn't necessarily meant that he could do it all by himself.

[Saiga]

Saiyan Saga Chiaotzu vs a Saibaman.

[FNF]

Chaozu's paralysis would do the job here. Even a [fully] charged Dodon-pa could do it imo.

[Kaboom]

Could go either way, I think. Chaozu would have to get pretty clever with his special abilities to overcome the Saibaiman's power advantage.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I think Chaozu would win based on the fact that, despite being somewhat weaker than his opponent, the Saibaimen probably wouldn't be smart enough to realize that he needs to finish him off quickly before he's able to use his paralysis on him. So Chaozu defeats the Saibaimen after using paralysis on him.

[Michsi]

I'd give this to Chiaotzu as well. I think each and every one of them could have handled the saiybamen without much problems. I don't see Chiaotzu being as confident or cocky enough to turn his back to his opponent.

[Saiga]

Apparently his battle power at the time was 610. Do you think his paralysis would work on an opponent nearly twice as strong as him?

[Michsi]

Apparently his battle power at the time was 610. Do you think his paralysis would work on an opponent nearly twice as strong as him?

It worked on Goku, who was also a lot stronger than him.

[Saiga]

Apparently his battle power at the time was 610. Do you think his paralysis would work on an opponent nearly twice as strong as him?

It worked on Goku, who was also a lot stronger than him.

True, I had forgotten that.

Yamcha (BP 1440) vs Raditz (BP 1500)?

[Kaboom]

Yamcha's power disadvantage is so miniscule that he can easily make up for it with his superior Earth-martial-artist skill. Plus, he knows all about the Saiyan tail weakness.

[Saiga]

Earth's martial arts are superior?