FUNimation DBZ TV Blu-ray Official On-Going Thread

[batistabus]

Wow. That reviewer and almost everyone on that website have no clue what they're talking about.

[funrush]

Level 1.0 was just reviewed by Anime News Network.

Needless to say, I disagree with the reviewer's sentiment that "Sean Schemmel outclasses Masako Nozawa as Goku".

I'm 100% with you on that.

[VegettoEX]

Wow. That reviewer and almost everyone on that website have no clue what they're talking about.

So... do you care to explain?

Let's try to stay away from blanket statements and instead participate in actual conversation. What's "wrong" with the review? What are they stating incorrectly? What do you disagree with? Why do you disagree with it? What examples would you like to use?

Whether you're talking about it here or in their own response thread, if you're not going to actually use your... ya' know, WORDS... to talk, no-one's going to take you seriously, and it'll just be one giant roundabout of bullshit.

[Ringworm128]

I disagree with the reviewer's sentiment that "Sean Schemmel outclasses Masako Nozawa as Goku".

I'm more annoyed at them only giving the great Shunsuke Kikuchi and Nathan Johnson scores C and B- and saying that the art style is mediocre. (B-for the Kikuchi score WTF!?

[jjgp1112]

Wow, differing opinions. Talk about the end of the world, guys.

[VegettoEX]

Wow, differing opinions. Talk about the end of the world, guys.

Responses like this don't help any, either.

Knock it off, folks. This does not represent what the purpose of this community is. Either contribute something worthwhile, or don't contribute at all.

[Ringworm128]

Wow, differing opinions. Talk about the end of the world, guys.

Responses like this don't help any, either.

Knock it off, folks. This does not represent what the purpose of this community is. Either contribute something worthwhile, or don't contribute at all.

I see nothing wrong with jjgp's post. All he's saying is that just because they have different opinions doesn't mean we should start freaking out.

[MCDaveG]

From that discussion on ANN, it's now clear to me why Hollywood does dozens of remakes of the foreign films.
To make the bad movies with cool concept but poor execution and stupid lines way better!

Jeremy Clarkson said simmilar thing in this matter.

Well guys, if you don't understand these kinds of reviews and have ''different'' standards, it means that you are in your own class, and average popcorn eating guy who thinks the Scary Movie is über hardcore comedy will never understand your point of view. That's it, I have simmilar disputes in music industry, where everyone admires this s**t made clearly for milking money and is hyped up by visage and expensive videos and when I say simple, I don't like. Hell what an alien I've become!!!

It's simple, stuff and opinions of masses aren't for us feinschmeckers that are gathering on this and other message boards.
It's like soccer mom operating in the realm of quantum mechanics knowledge.

PS: I don't care about reviews and things like this, if it's stuff I like, I go for it.
On the other hand, I'm in with the people that are saying that they are not interested in 58th release from Funimation of 291 episodes of Dragon Ball Z, be it Blu-ray, 3D, hologram...... more so with the same english dub, that I see as a spit on loyal fan's face. Perfect and definitive release for me are Dragon Boxes. Period

[VegettoEX]

I see nothing wrong with jjgp's post. All he's saying is that just because they have different opinions doesn't mean we should start freaking out.

It's sarcasm for the sake of sarcasm and nothing else. When phrased the way you just wrote it, that's fine... but that was not his intent.

This needs to stay friendly, on-topic, rational, and authoritative. The end.

[Craddle]

ANN will not allow me to post in the Review Talkback thread. I keep getting an error when I click submit that says the topic does not exist.

Sorry Mike, this isn't going to sound friendly but this is my response to the review. If I can ever get it posted.

Worst review I've ever read. First off, all the reviewer does is complain for 5 paragraphs. Then when it comes to grading the actual release, he bases the fact that it's been released prior to this as a con...How the hell are you gonna base your rating for this release on other releases? Isn't this review for Dragon Ball Z Level 1.1? Guess not...

Not to mention some of the info in the review is incorrect.

"The thing is, if you own, say, the Dragon Box sets, you already have all of the audio options."

Wrong. The Dragon Box does not include the Faulconer score. Which will be an audio option on these releases.

Sad that ANN allows terrible reviews like this. It's no wonder 90% of the anime community does not take ANN reviews seriously.

[Adamant]

So I read the review. Yeah, it's not particularly good. It's clearly written by some over-nostalgic guy who grew up on a bad dub, and who thus presents "Dragon Ball Z" as "this corny, badly acted English shit I grew up and watch for nostalgia and nothing more... and which is technically voiceovers put on some Japanese show I guess".
While that's fine if you're writing for your personal blog or something, should a website that claims to offer professional coverage of Japanese cartoons really be misrepresenting certain shows by their old bad dubs solely because their reviewer grew up on said bad dub?

If they were reviewing some release of Nausicaa and the review complained about how the "superior Warriors of the Wind version unfortunately isn't included, leaving us only with some dull alternate version", surely there'd be a shitstorm in the comments section had they even posted it, and the reviewer saying "it's superior because I grew up on it" certainly wouldn't have helped matters. So why is it okay to misrepresent Dragonball?

[Craddle]

So why is it okay to misrepresent Dragonball?

I don't know why they think this is an okay practice. I'm very tempted to send an email forwarding the link to this review to a FUNi rep. I know the 2 of them do business quite often. I'm certain FUNi will not be too happy about the review.

[dbboxkaifan]

Worst review I've ever read. First off, all the reviewer does is complain for 5 paragraphs. Then when it comes to grading the actual release, he bases the fact that it's been released prior to this as a con...How the hell are you gonna base your rating for this release on other releases? Isn't this review for Dragon Ball Z Level 1.1? Guess not...

Not to mention some of the info in the review is incorrect.

"The thing is, if you own, say, the Dragon Box sets, you already have all of the audio options."

Wrong. The Dragon Box does not include the Falconer score. Which will be an audio option on these releases.

Sad that ANN allows terrible reviews like this. It's no wonder 90% of the anime community does not take ANN reviews seriously.

Wrong is wrong.

1/4. His name is Faulconer, not Falconer (I'm surprised his fans fail to write his name properly).

2/4. The Dragon Boxes were aimed at the fans of the original Japanese version for a limited time, so obviously only Kikuchi's original Dragon Ball Z music was included, thank god!

3/4. People who wanted Faulconer's music are those who seen it broadcast in US TV, so they'd either pick the DBZ orange bricks on Blu-ray or DVD.

4/4. You're right, this release does include his music.

[Craddle]

Worst review I've ever read. First off, all the reviewer does is complain for 5 paragraphs. Then when it comes to grading the actual release, he bases the fact that it's been released prior to this as a con...How the hell are you gonna base your rating for this release on other releases? Isn't this review for Dragon Ball Z Level 1.1? Guess not...

Not to mention some of the info in the review is incorrect.

"The thing is, if you own, say, the Dragon Box sets, you already have all of the audio options."

Wrong. The Dragon Box does not include the Falconer score. Which will be an audio option on these releases.

Sad that ANN allows terrible reviews like this. It's no wonder 90% of the anime community does not take ANN reviews seriously.

Wrong is wrong.

1/4. His name is Faulconer, not Falconer (I'm surprised his fans fail to write his name properly).

2/4. The Dragon Boxes were aimed at the fans of the original Japanese version for a limited time, so obviously only Kikuchi's original Dragon Ball Z music was included, thank god!

3/4. People who wanted Faulconer's music are those who seen it broadcast in US TV, so they'd either pick the DBZ orange bricks on Blu-ray or DVD.

4/4. You're right, this release does include his music.

Wrong is wrong.

1. I made a typo. I wasn't writing anything. It's called typing. (Surprised that people on the internet still can't tell the difference between typing and writing.)

2. I never said the Dragon Boxes were not aimed at fans of the Japanese version.

3. Stating the obvious much?

4. I guess wrong isn't quite wrong after all.

(I suggest any further smart remarks about a typo I may have be sent to me in PM. Otherwise Mike is going to come in and be extremely pissed. He already asked once for this thread to "stay friendly, on-topic, rational, and authoritative.")

[VegettoEX]

Are you folks just *not* reading what I'm saying? If you're going to be sarcastic and rude, I'm going to start lodging warnings against your accounts, which will result in temporary bans, and onward through permanent bans.

I don't know why they think this is an okay practice. I'm very tempted to send an email forwarding the link to this review to a FUNi rep. I know the 2 of them do business quite often. I'm certain FUNi will not be too happy about the review.

If ANN is doing their editorial job with integrity and separate from their finance department, they shouldn't give a flying eff of an eff what FUNimation thinks of their reviews, and should not kowtow in any regard to what these companies might think about or comment on their reviews.

If they were reviewing some release of Nausicaa and the review complained about how the "superior Warriors of the Wind version unfortunately isn't included, leaving us only with some dull alternate version", surely there'd be a shitstorm in the comments section had they even posted it, and the reviewer saying "it's superior because I grew up on it" certainly wouldn't have helped matters. So why is it okay to misrepresent Dragonball?

Two separate issues, there.

For one, it's not like the original Japanese version of DBZ isn't included on this set. It's there. It's selectable. It's promoted. It's highlighted well enough.

Do I agree that a site about Japanese cartoons should probably put the focus on the Japanese version of the Japanese show? Yes, I do. Does their main audience seem to care about that? Not really.

[SylentEcho]

This can't be better than the Dragon Boxes. Right?

Is it worth getting?

[Craddle]

This can't be better than the Dragon Boxes. Right?

Is it worth getting?

Depends completely on your viewing preference.

If you have the Dragon Boxes, don't mind or enjoy the colors, don't miss Faulconer's score, want the NEP's, and want the Japanese title cards, then this release isn't for you. (Not to mention the great packaging.)

If you like the color corrections done on this release, want Faulconer's score, don't care about NEP's or Japanese title cards, then this release is just what you're looking for.

Official Example of the color corrections: http://www.dragonballz.com/AD-Takeover/ADPage.html (Bottom of the page.)

[sumpter360]

This can't be better than the Dragon Boxes. Right?

Is it worth getting?

Visually: It depends on your preference. If you like the coloring in the Dragon Boxes, you may not like this release. However, if you enjoy amazingly crisp, clear, albeit grainy (again, preference), picture, then you'll love this release!

Audio: Contains the same audio tracks as Dragon Boxes, plus the Faulconer Score, though I'm not sure how the Japanese track holds up to the Dragon Box Japanese audio track.

In my opinion, it's a great release, as I enjoy the Faulconer Score for the nostalgia, and the HD visuals for being done right.


EDIT: Drats, I was beaten to it... Oh wow, yeah, I had completely forgotten about the NEP's and such.

[Adamant]

Two separate issues, there.

For one, it's not like the original Japanese version of DBZ isn't included on this set. It's there. It's selectable. It's promoted. It's highlighted well enough.

I know - I was just talking about the reception of a hypothetical review that would claim Warriors of the Wind was the "clearly superior" version of the movie and leave it at that. I doubt ANN would even allow something like that to be posted if one of their reviewers were to write one, and if they did, it would definitely get a lot of hate from the commenters as an "outright wrong and unacceptable statement".
The point about such a review having to complain about its exclusion is just because, well, "Warriors of the Wind" is not likely to ever be included on anything ever again.

...but back to Dragonball.

[batistabus]

Wow. That reviewer and almost everyone on that website have no clue what they're talking about.

So... do you care to explain?

Let's try to stay away from blanket statements and instead participate in actual conversation. What's "wrong" with the review? What are they stating incorrectly? What do you disagree with? Why do you disagree with it? What examples would you like to use?

Whether you're talking about it here or in their own response thread, if you're not going to actually use your... ya' know, WORDS... to talk, no-one's going to take you seriously, and it'll just be one giant roundabout of bullshit.

My problem with the review and many of the people on that forum is their misrepresented view of the series, and their arrogance that goes along with it. Ironically, similar to what I did in my initial (reactionary) post, they make blanketed statements (Schemmel > Nozawa, Schemmel is better because he makes the character sound like a man, etc.) worded in a way that makes it seem like anyone else who thinks anything differently is a moron. Which is especially frustrating when I, as originally being a dub fan, have been constantly hoping for that more faithful dub that the general English fan-base, or at least the most vocal one, doesn't seem to care about. They're missing a lot of what the series has to offer, and they're closed off to what that might be.

Obviously people are entitled to their own opinions, but giving the sub a C but the dub a B? Saying the English screams are better than the Japanese? I get that they enjoy the "charm" of the dub, but it should be left at that. To go as far as to say it's superior is insulting. I would think that a website centered around reviewing anime would even be borderline weaboo, but this seems to be the opposite.