The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Hellspawn28]

Sì Xing Long (Nuova Shenron) in his first stage vs. Super Buu.

- Sì Xing Long can't transform
- Super Buu can't asborb him or turn him into candy

Who wins?

[Saiga]

Well, Yamcha clearly didn't win that fight. The Saibaman won.

The Cultivar died just like Yamcha did. How is that a victory? At the very most it's a draw. Even ignoring the desperate suicide, Yamcha had clearly defeated it and shown he was a far better fighter.

"Troll" has lost meaning these days... anything you post that someone else dislikes and you are a "troll"...

When someone is saying something irrational, yeah, I'll probably throw it out there. Maybe the term "grasping at straws" would have been more suitable, in your case.


Anyway, I don't see how Raditz can win here. I've never, ever read a reasonable explanation as to why Yamcha is an incompetent fighter on any board I've been on. Superior training and superior techniques. What makes this so ironic is that people are using the "Yamcha sucks" card against Raditz. I'll repeat, Yamcha lost to people that were far stronger than himself; and even then, the majority of his opponents all commended him in defeat saying that he was very good fighter. Raditz lost to two people three times weaker than himself.

So, let's go down the run sheet.

- Yamcha has better Ki control.

- Yamcha has a better track record (1 victory versus 0, and actual praise from his peers).

- Yamcha has far superior training.

That puts Raditz at a distinct advantage. When you're this close in power, skill is everything. And Raditz doesn't have any.

Anyway, Yamcha wins rather handily. This fight shouldn't have gone past Kabooms initial post. Honestly.

Yes, the Saibaman won. It intended to take itself out in order to kill Yamcha, and it succeeded. That's a pyrrhic victory. Yamcha had not clearly defeated it if it was able to get back up and blow him up. He outclassed it, got cocky, and dropped his guard. He lost.

What about his training is superior? We're never given any indication that the Saiyans lack fighting skill. And a track record actually doesn't do jack shit in a fight. Would Yamcha beat Gotenks, despite Gotenks' bad track record? Of course not. Ki control and knowledge of the tail weakness are the only advantages available to him, and I don't see how ki control could be the deciding factor. There's also the fact that he is way too cocky, which could get the better of him.

It seems the fight comes down to whether Yamcha can get a hold of Raditz's tail or not.

[FNF]

Sì Xing Long (Nuova Shenron) in his first stage vs. Super Buu.

- Sì Xing Long can't transform
- Super Buu can't asborb him or turn him into candy

Who wins?

GT Cell and Freeza would beat Super Buu lol.

This is assuming that Toei still followed their crazy hax where SSjin3 Goku~Kid Buu>SSjin2 Goku>Gohan-Buu.

[Saiga]

Sì Xing Long (Nuova Shenron) in his first stage vs. Super Buu.

- Sì Xing Long can't transform
- Super Buu can't asborb him or turn him into candy

Who wins?

GT Cell and Freeza would beat Super Buu lol.

This is assuming that Toei still followed their crazy hax where SSjin3 Goku~Kid Buu>SSjin2 Goku>Gohan-Buu.

I don't think GT Cell and Freeza were shown to be that powerful. Or even powerful at all.

I think Super Boo would actually beat Si Xing Long, even with the GT hax I don't think Base Goku > Super Boo.

[lash]

Sì Xing Long (Nuova Shenron) in his first stage vs. Super Buu.

- Sì Xing Long can't transform
- Super Buu can't asborb him or turn him into candy

Who wins?

Boo easily.

The dragon is about GT normal Goku's level. Whom with all things considered should be > Kibitoshin and Fat Boo but still a great deal weaker than SSJ3 Gotenks/Super Boo level.

[In Brightest Day]

What about his training is superior? We're never given any indication that the Saiyans lack fighting skill.

Ah, we get a very good idea that Raditz is fairly incompetent. His battle against Goku & Piccolo suggests as such, as well as comments from Vegeta and Nappa who know him pretty well. That's actually a running theme of that through all of the generic space thugs that the Z-Fighters come into contact with over the Saiyan and Namek arcs.

And a track record actually doesn't do jack shit in a fight.

If we don't take track record into account, then how do we determine who would win? Especially in the case of Raditz, who didn't actually give a ton of his personal info away. The only thing we can go by is his track record, which is particularly unimpressive even in comparison to Yamcha.

Losing to fighters far stronger than yourself, getting commended by the very same fighters and actually winning a fight >>>>> Losing to fighters far weaker than yourself and being called a loser by your friends.

Also, if track record isn't important then why in the hell were you using Yamcha's win-loss record as a reason for why Yamcha would lose?

Would Yamcha beat Gotenks, despite Gotenks' bad track record? Of course not.

Yamcha wouldn't do shit to Gotenks because the humans likely never even got close to that level of power. Yamcha & Raditz were equals during the Saiyan arc, more or less. Yamcha is just the more skilled of the two, which is by far the most important component in a battle where the two fighters in question are this close in terms of power.

Ki control and knowledge of the tail weakness are the only advantages available to him

As well as the fact that he's had far better training.

and I don't see how ki control could be the deciding factor.

Who said it was the deciding factor? It's just something Yamcha has going in his favor, as do basically all of the Z-Senshi.

There's also the fact that he is way too cocky, which could get the better of him.

Yamcha never really showed anything that would suggest he's too cocky. Frankly, his death in the Saiyan arc was pretty much a fluke that could have happened to anyone if placed in the same situation. Yamcha, as well as everyone else on the field that day (minus Vegeta) had every reason to believe the Cultivar was dead. I think Yamcha was definitely a bit careless there, but over confident is harsh, IMO.

It seems the fight comes down to whether Yamcha can get a hold of Raditz's tail or not.

Na, Yamcha is just a better fighter. He's not really reliant on that.

[FNF]

Sì Xing Long (Nuova Shenron) in his first stage vs. Super Buu.

- Sì Xing Long can't transform
- Super Buu can't asborb him or turn him into candy

Who wins?

GT Cell and Freeza would beat Super Buu lol.

This is assuming that Toei still followed their crazy hax where SSjin3 Goku~Kid Buu>SSjin2 Goku>Gohan-Buu.

I don't think GT Cell and Freeza were shown to be that powerful. Or even powerful at all.

I think Super Boo would actually beat Si Xing Long, even with the GT hax I don't think Base Goku > Super Boo.

Cell and Freeza both say that they have powered up basically and remember they watched the fight between SSjin3 Goku and Kid Buu.

In the anime hax MSSjin Goku>>Super Buu so Super Buu doesn't stand a chance here.

[lash]

Cell and Freeza both say that they have powered up basically and remember they watched the fight between SSjin3 Goku and Kid Buu.

In the anime hax MSSjin Goku>>Super Buu so Super Buu doesn't stand a chance here.

If you're using filler as support, that logic is going to trip on itself.

[FNF]

Cell and Freeza both say that they have powered up basically and remember they watched the fight between SSjin3 Goku and Kid Buu.

In the anime hax MSSjin Goku>>Super Buu so Super Buu doesn't stand a chance here.

If you're using filler as support, that logic is going to trip on itself.

Too bad GT is FOLLOWS filler lol.

Obviously I wouldn't use bad filler in any other case concerning db.

[lash]

GT doesn't follow filler.
Even the DBZ anime itself doesn't acknowledge filler.

[FNF]

GT doesn't follow filler.
Even the DBZ anime itself doesn't acknowledge filler.

It does hence people in Hell having bodies derp.

[Kid Buu]

Would Yamcha beat Gotenks, despite Gotenks' bad track record?

Actually he would, here's how it would go.

*Pre-Fight*
Gotenks: I can one shot Yamcha, but that would be boring so I'm gonna pretend to be weak until the last minute and beat him to make it more dramatic.

*Fight Starts*
*Fight is even for 29 minutes*

Last Minute, Gotenks: Ahaha, I've been holding back this whole time! Now I'm gonna beat you in one him blahblahblah

Unfortunately Gotenks explaining his plan causes wastes his final minute, and defuses...making Yamcha the winner by default.

[Saiga]

Would Yamcha beat Gotenks, despite Gotenks' bad track record?

Actually he would, here's how it would go.

*Pre-Fight*
Gotenks: I can one shot Yamcha, but that would be boring so I'm gonna pretend to be weak until the last minute and beat him to make it more dramatic.

*Fight Starts*
*Fight is even for 29 minutes*

Last Minute, Gotenks: Ahaha, I've been holding back this whole time! Now I'm gonna beat you in one him blahblahblah

Unfortunately Gotenks explaining his plan causes wastes his final minute, and defuses...making Yamcha the winner by default.

...except that Goten or Trunks would still wreck his shit.

[Silkman3003]

Speaking of GT!, I have one
Super 17(post 10x Kamehameha and after absorbing all the energy from #18)

vs

Syn Shenron(base. Obviously no other shadow dragons in him)


SSj4 Goku vs syn Shenron(3:31)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MKFmYBGYkA

Ssj4 goku vs Super 17(post 10x kamehameha)(6:40)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUfZF0hS ... r_embedded

Two scenario's

Scenario 1: No knowledge for both characters
Scenario 2: Full knowledge for both

[Kid Buu]

Would Yamcha beat Gotenks, despite Gotenks' bad track record?

Actually he would, here's how it would go.

*Pre-Fight*
Gotenks: I can one shot Yamcha, but that would be boring so I'm gonna pretend to be weak until the last minute and beat him to make it more dramatic.

*Fight Starts*
*Fight is even for 29 minutes*

Last Minute, Gotenks: Ahaha, I've been holding back this whole time! Now I'm gonna beat you in one him blahblahblah

Unfortunately Gotenks explaining his plan causes wastes his final minute, and defuses...making Yamcha the winner by default.

...except that Goten or Trunks would still wreck his shit.

That wouldn't be Gotenks fighting though.

[In Brightest Day]

Man, someone needs to learn to take a joke.

The funny thing is that theirs like zero actual concrete evidence proving that Tenshihan, Kuririn & Yamcha are vastly out-matched by the base Saiyans anyway.

[Saiga]

The funny thing is that theirs like zero actual concrete evidence proving that Tenshihan, Kuririn & Yamcha are vastly out-matched by the base Saiyans anyway.

Err... actually there is a lot, but I'm going to stay right the hell away from that.

Seriously, Goku's last known power level was 3,000,000 and Tenshinhan's was 2000. Considering base Goku is strongly implied to be at least above Freeza who was at 120,000,000 if not above c18 and Piccolo as well...

[DBZGTKOSDH]

GT doesn't follow filler.

GT follows both filler and movies. They use the magic water(how was it called?) to bring the people of the Earth back to their sences after getting brainwashed by Baby, the same magic water they used in Garlick Jr. arc (filler) for the same reason, Coola in his Final Form briefly appears (movie 5), Goku uses Ryu-ken (movie 13) and Vegeta knows how to do Fusion (movie 12).

[perucho1990]

Namek Saga Piccolo(Pre Nail fusion) vs the Ginyu Force.

Who wins?

[Saiga]

Gurd solos.