The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Rocketman]

Gurd solos.

If Vegeta's there to warn Piccolo about Gurd's powers, then he may be able to defeat him. But then Recoome comes out and Piccolo is hosed.

[FNF]

Piccolo absolutely destroys. Nail was flabbergasted by his power.

[Rocketman]

Piccolo did not improve faster than a harder-training Goku in six days. I'm sorry, but no.

[Fox666]

Piccolo absolutely destroys. Nail was flabbergasted by his power.

I wouldn't call it "flabbergasted", perhaps a little surprised. It's arguably if he meant that his power was greater than his own, or just that his power was worth for a fusion (unlike doing the fusion with Mr. Satan for example).

[Piccolo Daimao]

Yamcha "won" that fight pretty easily, actually. He just got cocky while the Saibaiman got desperate, and such was his undoing.

I don't think he got cocky. I think he honestly learned not to be cocky and underestimate his opponent from his battle with God at the 23rd TB. The Saibaimen was playing dead, everyone else but Vegeta thought he was dead too and judging by how easily he finished off one Saibaimen, there's no reason Yamcha shouldn't have thought that he could take the rest on too. What happened to him could've happened to anyone else there.

Piccolo did not improve faster than a harder-training Goku in six days. I'm sorry, but no.

That's your opinion. There is more than one interpretation of Nail's comment on Piccolo's power.

But I agree with you on the outcome of the match. I think Piccolo's smarter than Gohan and Kuririn and therefore wouldn't attack Gurd head-on. He'd finish him off before he could use his paralysis. Piccolo could probably defeat Recoom, Butta and Jheese one at a time, but if they ganged up on him, I'm skeptical as to whether he could take them all at once.

[FNF]

Piccolo did not improve faster than a harder-training Goku in six days. I'm sorry, but no.

Where's your proof? Nail is blown away by Piccolo. The Earthlings and Piccolo most likely received harder training than Goku as was suggested.

Kaio doesn't even contest Piccolo telling the others to wish to Namek to fight Freeza implying he could be somewhat useful against Freeza. Remember, they would have held Piccolo back from doing that if they thought he was fodder because they needed God to wish the others back to life.

@Fox;

"I-I’m astonished…I don’t know what kind of training you’ve done, but you’ve acquired unbelievable power…"

Yeah, not flabbergasted at all

[Pantalones]

Piccolo would almost definitely beat Guldo, no matter how strong he is when first arriving. I can picture him using his super-hearing to figure out exactly where Guldo ran off to during the time-stop (fat little dude's footsteps nearby should be easy for him to hear, considering that he could hear Goku and Trunks' conversation later on and they were pretty far off) and then blasting him without actually turning to look around first, so that Guldo would get caught off guard by mistakenly thinking that Piccolo hadn't figured out where he went yet. The others... depends on just how strong he got.

If he really was already stronger than Nail when he first arrived, he'd most likely beat Recoome but then lose to Jeice and/or Burter (especially if they both attacked him at once; each one individually is supposed to be at least as strong as Recoome, so Piccolo would have to have gotten absurdly strong already to have much of a chance of handling both of them at once.) Unless he somehow managed to get to 60,000 or above, in which case he'd probably beat them, too, and then it'd be just Ginyu he'd have to worry about. I doubt he got strong enough to fight Ginyu, though.

If he was weaker than Nail, though... it would probably go sort of like Vegeta's fight with the Ginyu Force went. He might put up a bit of a fight against Recoome (how much depending on just how much weaker than Nail he was) but he'd end up losing in the end.

[Fox666]

Namek Saga Piccolo(Pre Nail fusion) vs the Ginyu Force.

Who wins?

Piccolo would loose, definitely. Especially because Ginyu is a lot stronger than the rest of them, and even if you are stronger than Ginyu he would choose to switch bodies with you.

Kaio doesn't even contest Piccolo telling the others to wish to Namek to fight Freeza implying he could be somewhat useful against Freeza. Remember, they would have held Piccolo back from doing that if they thought he was fodder because they needed God to wish the others back to life.

Define "useful".

Piccolo called Freeza a monster based on his Ki alone, and Freeza holding back his power at the time. And Nail also told Piccolo he would just get killed by Freeza.

Besides using as evidence what Kaio did not said is a falacy (it could simply be that Kaio don't like to repeat himself). No matter how much strong Piccolo could be at the time he certainly couldn't anything to Freeza, based on Piccolo own words.

[Rocketman]

Where's your proof?

Goku
-is Goku
-is training in 100x gravity
-gets three/four zenkais
-goes from ~9000 to 90,000 (x10 increase)

Piccolo
-is not Saiyan
-is in 10x gravity
-can't get zenkais
-goes from ~3000 to at minimum 50,000? (x16 increase)

I say thee nay.

[Pokewhiz7]

-goes from ~9000 to 90,000 (x10 increase)

Isn't it 8000?

[Rocketman]

Zenkai after the beating Vegeta gave him.

[FNF]

Where's your proof?

Goku
-is Goku
-is training in 100x gravity
-gets three/four zenkais
-goes from ~9000 to 90,000 (x10 increase)

Piccolo
-is not Saiyan
-is in 10x gravity
-can't get zenkais
-goes from ~3000 to at minimum 50,000? (x16 increase)

I say thee nay.

You call that proof? Your using NUMBERS as proof which isn't very good start considering AT was just using them to say that he is 'x' amount stronger than fighter A.
It's like me saying;

'Goku gets many Zenkai's and only goes from 8000~ to 90,000 + high gravity gravity training yet he goes from 90,000~ to 3,000,000~ in just one zenkai? That's impossible therefore it is wrong.'

They were just a plot device and not meant to be taken as seriously as we, the fanbase, do.

Manga statements > Power level logic.

[Rocketman]

Manga statements > Power level logic.

Goku > Piccolo.

[Hellspawn28]

Garlic Jr (Makyan Star Power Up) from the Garlic Jr Saga vs. Doctor Gero. Both them where able to put up a fight against Piccolo (Who was fused with Nail) and who would win this battle?

I think Super Boo would actually beat Si Xing Long, even with the GT hax I don't think Base Goku > Super Boo.

I remember that Goku was SSj when fighting Si Xing Long in his base form. I agree that Super Buu would likely win, I'm not sure what the heat would do to Buu but his regeneration should be his key victory when fighting.

Speaking of GT!, I have one

Two scenario's

Scenario 1: No knowledge for both characters
Scenario 2: Full knowledge for both

I think Yi Xing Long should win both Scenarios. I remember that Yi Xing Long survive Goku's 10x kamehameha without that much damage and that with scenario 2, he should able to find discover his weakness. I think it will be a good fight but I see Yi Xing Long winning after a good fight.

[Michsi]

Manga statements > Power level logic.

Goku > Piccolo.

Well to be fair, he doesn't have to be as strong as Goku to defeat them. Goku barely broke a sweat when dealing with them (body-switch tricks aside), so Piccolo could just have a harder time handling things but that doesn't mean he couldn't prevail.

Personally, I don't know. I don't think he could take them all on.

[FNF]

Manga statements > Power level logic.

Goku > Piccolo.

Great argument there. The main protagonist being better than a supporting character? You still proved anything with that rather pointless claim.

[Kaboom]

You've likewise yet to prove that Piccolo is stronger or even as strong as Nail. Nail complimented his power, but Freeza complimented Goku, too. A compliment is not an admission of inferiority.

Rocketman does have a point that, given what we saw with Goku before, for Piccolo to become THAT much stronger from the same or lesser training in LESS time is very far-fetched. Piccolo has been shown to grow in power very quickly before, but doing so to such an extent in a mere six days doesn't seem... well, possible.

[FNF]

You are missing the point. Nail doesn't just compliment him. He is blown away by him;

"I-I’m astonished…I don’t know what kind of training you’ve done, but you’ve acquired unbelievable power…"

'Unbelievable' for a Namekian? Whatever it means, it sounds like it's a level of power that Nail would think was 'unbelievable'.

Tenshinhan and co gained more from basically half a year of training at God's than Goku did in 3 years at God's. AT randomly powered up fighters whenever, how much he wants etc.

[Fox666]

Freeza: “You’re strong. Astoundingly so, I might say…”

Not far different from Nail words.

[FNF]

Freeza: “You’re strong. Astoundingly so, I might say…”

Not far different from Nail words.

How is that close to Nail's reaction to Piccolo?

Astoundingly: Surprisingly impressive or notable

Unbelievable: Too dubious or improbable to be believed