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Master Blaster
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by Master Blaster » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:48 pm
Piccolo Daimao wrote:DBZ Mick wrote:About Bulma and Vegeta...
See the 'Yo Son Goku and his Friends Return' special. I that shows they are perfect for each other! They are so alike.
They're not "perfect" for each other. They just both happen to be immoral hot-tempered jerks.
I wouldn't call Bulma immoral. Yes, she starts out as a jerk, but she gets better. (Although she continues to fall for just about every good looking guy she comes across.
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by funrush » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:22 pm
Master Blaster wrote:Piccolo Daimao wrote:DBZ Mick wrote:About Bulma and Vegeta...
See the 'Yo Son Goku and his Friends Return' special. I that shows they are perfect for each other! They are so alike.
They're not "perfect" for each other. They just both happen to be immoral hot-tempered jerks.
I wouldn't call Bulma immoral. Yes, she starts out as a jerk, but she gets better. (Although she continues to fall for just about every good looking guy she comes across.
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Okay, because giving your bra size to a total stranger and then showing off your boobs at the age of 16 totally isn't immoral.
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by Fin » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:54 pm
DBZ Mick wrote:Okay, because giving your bra size to a total stranger and then showing off your boobs at the age of 16 totally isn't immoral.
why should it be? it's her body. she do whatever she wants with it.
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by hleV » Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:11 am
Fin wrote:DBZ Mick wrote:Okay, because giving your bra size to a total stranger and then showing off your boobs at the age of 16 totally isn't immoral.
why should it be? it's her body. she do whatever she wants with it.
That's an invalid argument when talking about what's immoral and what's not.
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by Master Blaster » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:01 am
funrush wrote:Okay, because giving your bra size to a total stranger and then showing off your boobs at the age of 16 totally isn't immoral.
Yes, she does that in the beginning of the manga. But she stops behaving like that after some time.
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:29 am
Master Blaster wrote:Piccolo Daimao wrote:DBZ Mick wrote:About Bulma and Vegeta...
See the 'Yo Son Goku and his Friends Return' special. I that shows they are perfect for each other! They are so alike.
They're not "perfect" for each other. They just both happen to be immoral hot-tempered jerks.
I wouldn't call Bulma immoral. Yes, she starts out as a jerk, but she gets better. (Although she continues to fall for just about every good looking guy she comes across.
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Maybe "immoral" was too strong a word then. But bedding a mass-murderer is still bad.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
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by Master Blaster » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:24 am
Piccolo Daimao wrote:Maybe "immoral" was too strong a word then. But bedding a mass-murderer is still bad.
To be honest, I never really understood the Bulma/Vegetta relationship. My personal interpretation was always, that Vegetta stays a bad guy until late in the Buu saga. The only reason he doesn't kill the other Z fighters before that is, that they're all weaker than him anyway and all he really cares about is to beat up Goku.
Why Bulma starts a relationship with him in the first place? I don't know, but maybe she did it to piss of Yamcha.
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:11 am
Master Blaster wrote:Piccolo Daimao wrote:Maybe "immoral" was too strong a word then. But bedding a mass-murderer is still bad.
To be honest, I never really understood the Bulma/Vegetta relationship. My personal interpretation was always, that Vegetta stays a bad guy until late in the Buu saga. The only reason he doesn't kill the other Z fighters before that is, that they're all weaker than him anyway and all he really cares about is to beat up Goku.
Why Bulma starts a relationship with him in the first place? I don't know, but maybe she did it to piss of Yamcha.
In the Cell arc, it seemed to just be more of a one-night stand thing, since Vegeta doesn't bother saving Bulma and Trunks from Gero and Bulma calls him a jerk that she wouldn't live with. But somehow, over those 7 years, she grew to love him, and Vegeta grew to love her, although I think it was more because of Trunks, considering his bonding with him during training him to defeat Goku's sons.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
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by Fin » Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:33 am
hleV wrote:Fin wrote:DBZ Mick wrote:Okay, because giving your bra size to a total stranger and then showing off your boobs at the age of 16 totally isn't immoral.
why should it be? it's her body. she do whatever she wants with it.
That's an invalid argument when talking about what's immoral and what's not.
um... okay? can i have an argument about why it is immoral?
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by hleV » Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:38 am
Fin wrote:
um... okay? can i have an argument about why it is immoral?
My point was, if Bulma does with her body whatever she wants, that doesn't necessary mean it's moral.
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by Fin » Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:41 am
hleV wrote:Fin wrote:
um... okay? can i have an argument about why it is immoral?
My point was, if Bulma does with her body whatever she wants, that doesn't necessary mean it's moral.
i know. i just haven't heard a reason why it's immoral either.
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:38 am
Fin wrote:hleV wrote:Fin wrote:
um... okay? can i have an argument about why it is immoral?
My point was, if Bulma does with her body whatever she wants, that doesn't necessary mean it's moral.
i know. i just haven't heard a reason why it's immoral either.
What is immoral or not varies from person to person, but the reasons some people may think that what she does with her body is immoral is because they believe that she's "selling" her body by flashing it to random strangers just because she thinks they're hot. Furthermore, after the first arc, she's doing this all while in a relationship with Yamcha, whom she has the audacity to accuse of cheating.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
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by Fin » Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:44 am
Piccolo Daimao wrote:What is immoral or not varies from person to person, but the reasons some people may think that what she does with her body is immoral is because they believe that she's "selling" her body by flashing it to random strangers just because she thinks they're hot. Furthermore, after the first arc, she's doing this all while in a relationship with Yamcha, whom she has the audacity to accuse of cheating.
yeah, i'd agree that doing that stuff when she's involved with yamcha would count as immoral. i just don't see who she was hurting earlier on (except those instances where she was prepared to betray her friends i guess
) i think it's kind of ridiculous to say that 'selling' your body like that is immoral.
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:19 pm
Fin wrote:Piccolo Daimao wrote:What is immoral or not varies from person to person, but the reasons some people may think that what she does with her body is immoral is because they believe that she's "selling" her body by flashing it to random strangers just because she thinks they're hot. Furthermore, after the first arc, she's doing this all while in a relationship with Yamcha, whom she has the audacity to accuse of cheating.
yeah, i'd agree that doing that stuff when she's involved with yamcha would count as immoral. i just don't see who she was hurting earlier on (except those instances where she was prepared to betray her friends i guess
) i think it's kind of ridiculous to say that 'selling' your body like that is immoral.
Yeah, I agree. And she was a teenager. But I'm just saying that some people would find that immoral.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
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by Gokuman1993 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:23 pm
Okay, when did this discussion get turned into a discussion about Bulma's morality? And her body?
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by MajinKing » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:21 am
Why is this even being discussed? Of course he loves her. Goten and Gohan being around is proof enough.
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by Saiga » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:47 am
MajinKing wrote:Why is this even being discussed? Of course he loves her. Goten and Gohan being around is proof enough.
While I am in agreement that Goku obviously loves Chi-Chi, having children doesn't automatically mean you love them. Some others here just don't see any implied attraction or signs that he loves her.
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by Michsi » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:25 am
Like I said before, I believe he loves her in his own way, but is not in love with her. And yes, physical attraction does not automatically mean love.
It does seem that he doesn't differentiate between the importance of "wife" and "friend", meaning I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he cares about Krillin or Bulma as much as he cares about Chichi.
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by DBZ Mick » Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:26 am
Chichi to Goku= Food.
I do think he loves her though. There's some sweet scenes in the Cell and Boo arcs between them if I remember right.
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.
Superman in an orange Gi was the bastard son of FUNimation. Its not The real character, it is as false as Chatku.
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:42 am
Actually, I think the reason that Bulma genuinely loves Vegeta by the Boo arc is through bonding with Trunks, which, in turn, developed into love for Vegeta, whose "good side" she saw while he was bonding with Trunks mainly through training, but also the occasional activities like taking him to the amusement park.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
