The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Piccolo Daimao]

It doesn't really matter, since Piccolo's power is only even important in the story until after he merges with Nail.

Yes, I know that, but it is important for this hypothetical fight. Pretty much like every hypothetical fight in this thread.

I know that too. It's just that it seems like we're going round in circles.

[Michsi]

It doesn't really matter, since Piccolo's power is only even important in the story until after he merges with Nail.

Yes, I know that, but it is important for this hypothetical fight. Pretty much like every hypothetical fight in this thread.

I know that too. It's just that it seems like we're going round in circles.

True, it's how they usually end up

[Fox666]

Goku with Kami from 260 to 400 something in three years

Or is it 260 to 910?

[Michsi]

I don't believe so, but it still would mean Goku trippled his strength whereas Tenshinhan's is something like x7.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Goku with Kami from 260 to 400 something in three years

Or is it 260 to 910?

In the manga, Goku's battle power against Raditz was 416. In 1989's 31st issue of Weekly Jump, his battle power at the 23rd Tenka'ichi Budokai was 910.

[Fox666]

I am always skeptical about any battle power in the manga, at least when it comes to the Earthlings. They can change their battle power at will, and that's the reason Vegeta told Nappa they should not use the Scouters in the battle.

The publications however go for the actual strength of a character, rather than what a Scouter may tell you.

[hleV]

The guides portray BPs the characters had at a specific time, not their actual maximum power. So Goku may have had over 900 during his Super Kamehameha or whatever it's called during the 23th Tenkaichi Budokai, same for his Kamehameha against Raditz.

[Fox666]

The guides portray BPs the characters had at a specific time

Except for battle powers they have directly taken from the manga, any of the numbers they present is anything but the "real strength" of a character, Mostly because their purpose is to show how strong a character is.

[Rocketman]

I repeat, I never said he got stronger than Goku.

No, no, I meant that sentence to read differently. To do what you say, Piccolo has to get stronger, and do so at a faster rate than Goku's rate of getting stronger, even though Goku is doing harsher training and getting zenkais.

[Michsi]

No, no, I meant that sentence to read differently. To do what you say, Piccolo has to get stronger, and do so at a faster rate than Goku's rate of getting stronger, even though Goku is doing harsher training and getting zenkais.

Ah, I see. But as I said, it has happened before. Tenshinhan even develops a plan in his head about how he wanted to improve the training Goku went through.

[Saiga]

No, no, I meant that sentence to read differently. To do what you say, Piccolo has to get stronger, and do so at a faster rate than Goku's rate of getting stronger, even though Goku is doing harsher training and getting zenkais.

Ah, I see. But as I said, it has happened before. Tenshinhan even develops a plan in his head about how he wanted to improve the training Goku went through.

Doesn't mean he was successful. He's always been extremely cocky.

[Michsi]

Doesn't mean he was successful. He's always been extremely cocky.

Just like it doesn't mean that he wasn't. He did it before, so I have every right to believe he can do it again. And I believe Piccolo is more capable than him.

[Saiga]

Doesn't mean he was successful. He's always been extremely cocky.

Just like it doesn't mean that he wasn't. He did it before, so I have every right to believe he can do it again. And I believe Piccolo is more capable than him.

How did he do it before?

[Michsi]

How did he do it before?

I've mentioned it again and again in the last posts

Goku only doubled (or trippled, depending what source you like to use) his strength in three years while at Kami's, while Tenshinhan increased his strength 7 times in less than one year.

[Saiga]

How did he do it before?

I've mentioned it again and again in the last posts

Goku only doubled (or trippled, depending what source you like to use) his strength in three years while at Kami's, while Tenshinhan increased his strength 7 times in less than one year.

As has been mentioned before, having a sparring partner is a lot more beneficial. Plus Kami directly oversaw the human's training while leaving Goku's to Mr Popo.

[Michsi]

As has been mentioned before, having a sparring partner is a lot more beneficial. Plus Kami directly oversaw the human's training while leaving Goku's to Mr Popo.

1. Goku had a sparring partner too, it was Mister Popo.
2. Mister Popo is stronger than Kami and stronger than Tenshinahn and co. so them sparring with eachother should actually be harder for them to obtain strength faster.
3. There is no reason to believe Kami kept somthing from Goku and shared with the others
4. The sparring partner argument can be used for the Piccolo and the others when they arrived at King Kai's too.

Piccolo Daimao was right, this is going around in circles. All of this has been mentioned before. I'll continue if I see someone bring something new to the table otherwise I have pretty much said all I have to say about this.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Mister Popo is stronger than Kami

Didn't Popo said that Kami is stronger?

[Michsi]

Well, that's true he does say Kami is more amazing, but I keep hearing he's supposed to be 1,030 or something , which is one the greatest WTFs regarding battle powers from the guides. Yet why would they put it so high when it would have been far more believable to have it around 23rd TB level?

[Saiga]

Well, that's true he does say Kami is more amazing, but I keep hearing he's supposed to be 1,030 or something , which is one the greatest WTFs regarding battle powers from the guides. Yet why would they put it so high when it would have been far more believable to have it around 23rd TB level?

We're never given a time frame for that battle power. It could be after training the humans, which is what I choose to believe.

[hleV]

As has been mentioned before, having a sparring partner is a lot more beneficial. Plus Kami directly oversaw the human's training while leaving Goku's to Mr Popo.

1. Goku had a sparring partner too, it was Mister Popo.
2. Mister Popo is stronger than Kami and stronger than Tenshinahn and co. so them sparring with eachother should actually be harder for them to obtain strength faster.
3. There is no reason to believe Kami kept somthing from Goku and shared with the others
4. The sparring partner argument can be used for the Piccolo and the others when they arrived at King Kai's too.

Piccolo Daimao was right, this is going around in circles. All of this has been mentioned before. I'll continue if I see someone bring something new to the table otherwise I have pretty much said all I have to say about this.

Do we know that after that one time, Mr. Popo was still sparing with Goku instead of giving him alone-training tasks instead?