The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[dbgtFO]

Jinzoningen arc Piccolo (+ Nail) vs. Freeza (Final Form, 100%)

Piccolo takes this easily.

So I think Piccolo has this, but, of course, it's probable that I'm wrong, so I wanted to get you guys' opinions.

Piccolo's standing before his merger with God isn't specified more than 'stronger than Dr. Gero, weaker than the Super Saiyans.' And to make it even worse there's nothing specified about Dr. Gero's strength compared to Freeza's.

At most we got the small hint Piccolo gave us, when he posed the question, that the androids might not be as strong as they were told or that they(Goku, Vegeta & Piccolo) simply became too strong.
Due to the fact Piccolo didn't know for sure, by normal logic, it implies, that he was above his estimation of Trunks from 3 years ago. Since being below Trunks would mean being below the power Trunks said the androids had, there'd be no reason to suggest, he(and the others) simply became too strong, since he would already have his answer:
"The androids weren't as strong as they thought."

[Saiga]

Jinzoningen arc Piccolo (+ Nail) vs. Freeza (Final Form, 100%)

Piccolo takes this easily.

So I think Piccolo has this, but, of course, it's probable that I'm wrong, so I wanted to get you guys' opinions.

Piccolo's standing before his merger with God isn't specified more than 'stronger than Dr. Gero, weaker than the Super Saiyans.' And to make it even worse there's nothing specified about Dr. Gero's strength compared to Freeza's.

At most we got the small hint Piccolo gave us, when he posed the question, that the androids might not be as strong as they were told or that they(Goku, Vegeta & Piccolo) simply became too strong.
Due to the fact Piccolo didn't know for sure, by normal logic, it implies, that he was above his estimation of Trunks from 3 years ago. Since being below Trunks would mean being below the power Trunks said the androids had, there'd be no reason to suggest, he(and the others) simply became too strong, since he would already have his answer:
"The androids weren't as strong as they thought."

It's possible he could have slightly forgotten how powerful Trunks was three years ago, but then again, they seem to remember how strong Cell Arc!Gohan's ki was seven years later, so apparently ki can't be forgotten that quickly. Which is... really weird, now that I think about it.

[perucho1990]

Androids Saga Gohan (Pre-Rosat) vs Gero and #19.

How Strong was Gohan by then?

[Saiga]

Androids Saga Gohan (Pre-Rosat) vs Gero and #19.

How Strong was Gohan by then?

Not THAT strong, I don't think. That'd be beyond him since he can't go Super Saiyan.

[Michsi]

I've always wondered about this. How much did he improve after the 3 year training?

Aside from that one time he got Dr. Gero off of Piccolo, we didn't see him do anything.
Personally, I don't think he could defeat either of them but neither do I think he'd be easily beaten.

[lash]

Androids Saga Gohan (Pre-Rosat) vs Gero and #19.

How Strong was Gohan by then?

Chapter: 345 (DBZ 151), P6.6
Context: after Tenshinhan, Gohan, and Kuririn want to chase after No.20
Piccolo: “I understand…But don’t try and fight him. He’s not an opponent you guys could handle…”

Son Gohan gets stomped.

[FNF]

Dude, Piccolo was raising his Ki in short bursts. It's stated.

All of what he said was fact but he just didn't count on Piccolo being suppressed.

This is suggested;

Piccolo (actual)>>SSjin Goku/SSjin Trunks(Trunks saga)>Piccolo (initial)~Gohan+Tenshinhan+Krillin.

SSjin Vegeta>>c20>Piccolo(initial)

c20(Z senshi absorption)>SSjin Vegeta

I would go into more detail but cba.

The formatation of that kind of post is horrible, it is confusing and hard to understand. It looks like you are tossing random character names and keyboard keys.

I can't be bothered explaining it properly like I've had to do a billion times. It is probably better for you to just work it out for yourself.

@Gohan vs c20/c19, Gohan was a weakling at this point. There is even the possibility of him being weaker than Krillin and Tenshinhan or even Yamcha (if you think Yamcha just had a major confidence 'drain') without the rage boost.

[perucho1990]

Dude, Piccolo was raising his Ki in short bursts. It's stated.

All of what he said was fact but he just didn't count on Piccolo being suppressed.

This is suggested;

Piccolo (actual)>>SSjin Goku/SSjin Trunks(Trunks saga)>Piccolo (initial)~Gohan+Tenshinhan+Krillin.

SSjin Vegeta>>c20>Piccolo(initial)

c20(Z senshi absorption)>SSjin Vegeta

I would go into more detail but cba.

The formatation of that kind of post is horrible, it is confusing and hard to understand. It looks like you are tossing random character names and keyboard keys.

I can't be bothered explaining it properly like I've had to do a billion times. It is probably better for you to just work it out for yourself.

@Gohan vs c20/c19, Gohan was a weakling at this point. There is even the possibility of him being weaker than Krillin and Tenshinhan or even Yamcha (if you think Yamcha just had a major confidence 'drain') without the rage boost.

How?

Training with Goku and Piccolo for 3 years made him weaker?

[Kaboom]

How? Training with Goku and Piccolo for 3 years made him weaker?

No, it's just that the piddly humans apparently magically got their power into the millions or tens of millions somehow.

[FNF]

People ignore that Gohan almost definitely didn't train in the 2~ years after Namek exploded then in the Android arc he is 1st told to go and help Yajirobe after his car/plane is shot down and then later on he is told to take Bulma etc away. Everything points towards him and Yamcha being the most useless in the Android arc before the RoSaT due to his inability to access his power unless shit hits the frying pan.

Kaboom is just a hater.

[Kaboom]

Kaboom is just a hater.

No, Tenshinhan's a pretty cool guy, and Kuririn's one of my all-time favorites. I just try not to overrate characters, and I'm not one to jump to conclusions based on flimsy pretexts.

Pretexts like which character was sent on errands in what order. I mean really?

[hleV]

he is 1st told to go and help Yajirobe after his car/plane is shot down and then later on he is told to take Bulma etc away.

You take random things as implications of someone's strength. There were Gohan, Kuririn and Tenshinhan. All of them were no match for the artificial humans. Gohan happened to be the one responsible for getting Bulma and co. away. The thing is, it didn't matter which one of them would do that (I doubt anyone would ask Tenshinhan for that, though, he's just not that kind of a guy to leave the battlefield for such a matter), since any of them were pretty much useless at the time.

[FNF]

Funny because last time I checked Goku and co would naturally want the most useful people with him. No matter how useless they are individually, as a group they could still be useful to some extent.

I'm just saying it how it is. I'm not picking up on 'random things' and twisting them into power assessments. They are implications of their usefulness and thus should be treated as power assessments.

[hleV]

I'm not picking up on 'random things' and twisting them into power assessments.

That's exactly what you're doing.

[FNF]

I'm not picking up on 'random things' and twisting them into power assessments.

That's exactly what you're doing.

Really? Well, it's shame how you can't see how wrong you are.

[VegettoEX]

Why is there always an attitude problem in versus discussions?

Either politely discuss and fully explain your viewpoints, or please find another forum to post on. This is just beyond unacceptable.

[hleV]

Really? Well, it's shame how you can't see how wrong you are.

Says the guy who puts Kuririn above Gohan who was stronger in Freeza arc and trained for 3 years with Goku and Piccolo.

EDIT:

Why is there always an attitude problem in versus discussions?

Either politely discuss and fully explain your viewpoints, or please find another forum to post on. This is just beyond unacceptable.

Sorry.

[FNF]

Says the guy who puts Kuririn above Gohan who was stronger in Freeza arc and trained for 3 years with Goku and Piccolo.

Look, AT makes it clear that the ones who would continue to fight the Androids are the most useful. He was probably making it a repeat of the fight with Nappa etc where Gohan wasn't that useful unless he was enraged and that is what is suggested.

Also, once again you are ignoring that Gohan missed out on 2 whole years training.

[Michsi]

Also, once again you are ignoring that Gohan missed out on 2 whole years training.

Krillin might have as well. While I know Tenshinhan is more devoted to the life of a martial artist, I can't see Krillin pushing himself too hard if he doesn't need to.

Also considering the period between the 23rd tournament and Radditz arrival, their powers seem to stay pretty much the same during peace time.
The only ones we know were training hard is Piccolo and Vegeta.

[Hellspawn28]

Jinzoningen arc Piccolo (+ Nail) vs. GT Pan, both of them where strong enough to take down Gero pretty easy from what I can remember. Since no one answer to my Garlic Jr vs. Gero battle then who will win this one?