The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Saiga]

Anyone knows how strong was Oozaru Gohan(start of DBZ)?

Was planning to make Oozaru Gohan vs the Saiyans in a Gaunlet match...

Well, it multiplies BP by 10, so...

To match Raditz, Gohan would have to be BP 150.

To match Nappa, Gohan would have to be BP 400.

To match Vegeta, Gohan would have to be BP 1,800.

I don't think he can compare to them, to be honest.

[dbgtFO]

Anyone knows how strong was Oozaru Gohan(start of DBZ)?

The transformation increases one's power by ten.
Gohan's top power at that point was 1,307, so IMO it should be 13,070.

[Fox666]

Piccolo mentioned the Earth would be erased before the saiyans arrived, I suppose we could guess he was at least stronger than him or Raditz.

However I really doubt it would be something like 13,000 considering how he was flabbergasted by Nappa.

[Michsi]

However I really doubt it would be something like 13,000 considering how he was flabbergasted by Nappa.

He seemed pretty shocked and worried by the Oozaru too. He at least attempted to fight Nappa, he didn't so much as come close to Gohan and went straight for the moon, which shouldn't be your first choice

[Pantalones]

I guess it depends on how angry Gohan is when he transforms. I mean, yeah, Oozarus generally seem angry all the time but it's more "destroying stuff because you can't control your own actions in that form without lots of training" than real anger.

So I'm guessing he wouldn't go straight up to 10x of his maximum power right away--maybe he'd be around 7000-ish, since I seem to remember Gohan's power being detected as 710 or something around that range by Raditz's scouter even before his "super angry burst out of the space-pod and headbutt" attack that got him to 1,307. If you assume Nappa was only around 4000 that should be more than enough to make Piccolo freak out like he did--if a much stronger Piccolo couldn't stand up to Nappa at all, Piccolo shortly after the Raditz fight wouldn't have a chance against something that strong.

And of course, if something injured him or otherwise pissed him off even more while he was in Oozaru form, he'd get angrier and probably get a boost just like he does in his normal form when something really pisses him off (maybe that way he'd reach that 13,070 that should be his max, or at least close to his max, in Oozaru at this point.)

[perucho1990]

I guess it depends on how angry Gohan is when he transforms. I mean, yeah, Oozarus generally seem angry all the time but it's more "destroying stuff because you can't control your own actions in that form without lots of training" than real anger.

So I'm guessing he wouldn't go straight up to 10x of his maximum power right away--maybe he'd be around 7000-ish, since I seem to remember Gohan's power being detected as 710 or something around that range by Raditz's scouter even before his "super angry burst out of the space-pod and headbutt" attack that got him to 1,307. If you assume Nappa was only around 4000 that should be more than enough to make Piccolo freak out like he did--if a much stronger Piccolo couldn't stand up to Nappa at all, Piccolo shortly after the Raditz fight wouldn't have a chance against something that strong.

And of course, if something injured him or otherwise pissed him off even more while he was in Oozaru form, he'd get angrier and probably get a boost just like he does in his normal form when something really pisses him off (maybe that way he'd reach that 13,070 that should be his max, or at least close to his max, in Oozaru at this point.)

And Nappa was able to fight evenly with Goku(when he acted calm and before Goku used Kaioken).

[Pantalones]

I'm guessing you're referring to how I mentioned Nappa's power level being only 4000, right? Otherwise I'm not sure what Nappa fighting Goku has to do with Oozaru Gohan.

But yeah, that's one of the official numbers that... doesn't quite make sense with the actual fight, considering how big of a deal they make of Goku's level being over 8000. If Goku's power was literally double Nappa's, and Goku's fighting ability is certainly above Nappa's, then why the heck did he even need Kaio-Ken to finish the fight quickly?? That's why I said "if you assume Nappa was only around 4000." I'd probably put him at more in the 6000-8000 range just based on the fact that Goku thought the fight would take forever if he didn't just wipe him out easily with Kaio-Ken. Even if Nappa was absurdly tough for his level, someone who's literally twice as powerful as him should've been able to beat him pretty much effortlessly (just look at Goku vs. Recoome later--he's around 90,000 to Recoome's 40-some thousand or so, and beats him with a single blow, even though he's also the high-endurance type that likes taking hits head-on with barely a scratch.)

[CatouttaHell]

"Majin" Spopovitch vs. Bear Bandit

[allfornot2]

Spopovitch. Easily. He was able to survive something no human could survive without taking any visible damage, and, if I remember correctly, was able to impress upon Vegeta the advantages of the Majin powerup. He had to be something at least kind of special.

[CatouttaHell]

You mean his neck breaking? That's just his zombie-like durability, it doesn't have anything to do with power. Pure Boo could likely survive an attack that would kill Gotenks due to his stupidly good regeneration but that doesn't mean he's stronger than him.

Vegeta being impressed by the power-up just has to mean he's way stronger than a regular human IMO, which doesn't really mean much.

I mean he was getting his arse kicked by Videl for the first half of the fight, and Videl probably isn't terribly far above Mister Satan, who is below Bob Sapp, a real life human.

I just can't see somebody who actually had trouble with someone barely above the real human level at most being able to take down a 40 foot tall bear but to each their own.

[allfornot2]

I was always pretty certain that he was just playing with Videl when she was delivering that ass-whoopin. And, my memory is really fuzzy here, wasn't he able to restrain a Super saiyan Gohan?(Like I said memory is fuzzy, so this might not have even actually happened.) And even if that isn't so, I believe his durability gives him the edge here.

Plus I doubt Vegeta would be impressed enough to essentially sell his soul for a power-up if it only made Spopovitch stronger than a normal human. I'd always assumed that Spopovitch was at least around the level of early Saiyan Saga characters.

Edit-Just remembered: One of the kais was using their powers to hold him down weren't they?

[CatouttaHell]

He was bleeding from the mouth after Videl whooped his arse though, and she even managed to snap his neck at one point. I know he's insane but I don't see why he'd purposefully let himself be brutally beat up.

Yeah, he managed to "restrain" SSjin 2 Gohan after Kaioshin paralysed him with magic.

The only way Spopovitch is only a Saiya-jin arc level is if he purposefully suppressed himself to less than 1/100th of his power for the sole purpose of getting beat up... which just doesn't seem implied IMO.

Vegeta merely thought Babidi's power-up would close the gap between him and Son, so it is plausible that Spopovitch's power-up is not even far from whatever Vegeta got...

[allfornot2]

He was bleeding from the mouth after Videl whooped his arse though, and she even managed to snap his neck at one point. I know he's insane but I don't see why he'd purposefully let himself be brutally beat up.



The only way Spopovitch is only a Saiya-jin arc level is if he purposefully suppressed himself to less than 1/100th of his power for the sole purpose of getting beat up... which just doesn't seem implied IMO.

Valid points, I just find it hard to believe that some random bandit would be able to do anything to a warrior that had been empowered by a sorcerer as powerful as Bobbidi.(No way in hell I spelled that right.)

[Piccolo Daimao]

"Majin" Spopovitch vs. Bear Bandit

I think Spopovich would win, perhaps mostly because of his durability. Even if the bear bandit managed to beat the shit out of him as badly or slightly worse than Videl, he'd eventually get worn out enough for Spopovich to defeat him. Plus, Spopovich can fly and use ki blasts, which may give something of an advantage.

[Fox666]

The bear bandit is just a regular guy, while Spopovitch is a super-human.

[Piccolo Daimao]

The bear bandit is just a regular guy, while Spopovitch is a super-human.

Well, an anthropomorphic bear with a sword, but I know what you mean.

[perucho1990]

IDk if this was discussed.

SSJ3 Goku vs South Kaioshin.

[Fox666]

Supposedly nobody have taken the Z Sword out before Gohan did as a Super Saiyan, so Goku should be many times stronger than South Kaioshin.

[perucho1990]

Supposedly nobody have taken the Z Sword out before Gohan did as a Super Saiyan, so Goku should be many times stronger than South Kaioshin.

Wasnt it mentioned i the daizenshuu that the Z-sword was cursed against the Kaioshins??

[hleV]

Wasnt it mentioned i the daizenshuu that the Z-sword was cursed against the Kaioshins??

No.

It's said that many (not all) Kaioshins tried to pull out the Z-sword and failed (in the manga, not sure about the guides), so South Kaioshin not necessary ever tried to pull out the Z-sword.