The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Fox666]

Supposedly nobody have taken the Z Sword out before Gohan did as a Super Saiyan, so Goku should be many times stronger than South Kaioshin.

Wasnt it mentioned i the daizenshuu that the Z-sword was cursed against the Kaioshins??

That is from Dragon Ball Multiverse

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-407.html

[perucho1990]

Supposedly nobody have taken the Z Sword out before Gohan did as a Super Saiyan, so Goku should be many times stronger than South Kaioshin.

Wasnt it mentioned i the daizenshuu that the Z-sword was cursed against the Kaioshins??

That is from Dragon Ball Multiverse

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-407.html

Oh ok, then by default Goku would win.

Granpa Gohan vs 22 Budokai Yamcha and Krillin in a Gaunlet Match.

Granpa Gohan held his own against Post RRA-Saga Goku.

[CatouttaHell]

Granpa Gohan vs 22 Budokai Yamcha and Krillin in a Gaunlet Match.

Granpa Gohan held his own against Post RRA-Saga Goku.

Kuririn could roflstomp him by himself.

Chapa-o is stated to be a formidable opponent for a much improved Son Goku, and everybody is shocked that he beat him so easily.

Kuririn then fights evenly with Initial Match Level Son Goku, who nobody figures out isn't giving it his all.

Base Roshi = Initial Son Goku = Kuririn >> Yamucha >> Chapa-o >>/> Son Gohan

The bear bandit is just a regular guy, while Spopovitch is a super-human.

He's a 40 foot tall bear with a sword. He's most certainly on the superhuman tier IMO.

[Silkman3003]

Imperfect Cell(Post Human absorption) vs Android 16 vs Super Android 13.

Assume Piccolo was a Super Namek in Movie 7.

Who comes out the victor?

[Fox666]

The bear bandit is just a regular guy, while Spopovitch is a super-human.

He's a 40 foot tall bear with a sword. He's most certainly on the superhuman tier IMO.

But he is a "regular human" for Dragon Ball standards. There are plenty of bears, dinosaurs and others in the Budokai preliminaries, however they doesn't seems to stand-out compared to human fighters.

[Saiga]

Imperfect Cell(Post Human absorption) vs Android 16 vs Super Android 13.

Assume Piccolo was a Super Namek in Movie 7.

Who comes out the victor?

Um... maybe Super 13? I'm not really sure how to compare them.

[Piccolo Daimao]

SSJ3 Goku vs South Kaioshin.

Kid Boo absorbed the South Kaioshin, and, as we see in the manga, Boo only ever absorbed others when they were stronger than him. I know that we don't have enough details about the incident, the South Kaioshin could've had some strange strength-unrelated power that Boo couldn't overcome, and that Boo was different than this Boo, but IMO, this is the best assumption to make, based on the information given.

Super Saiyan 3 Goku was even or slightly stronger than Kid Boo, and it was strongly suggested that he could've wiped him out with one final attack if he had the time to charge up. Kid Boo even tried to turn him into chocolate at one point, showing how he likely saw him as a formidable opponent that he'd rather immobilize completely and eat than continue to fight (despite the fact that he was just regenerating from all of Goku's attacks, his stamina wasn't falling and he looked like he was having fun, supported by Goku's statements).

So if both of them are somewhat stronger than Kid Boo, then I'd suppose they're on about the same level. If Goku's alive, then the South Kaioshin would win, because he'd take advantage of Goku's energy drain. If Goku's dead, then he'd win, because...well, he's Goku. And we have more information on his power than the South Kaioshin.

[Senzu_Bean]

"Majin" Spopovitch vs. Bear Bandit

Bear Bandit is an animal-type Earthling while Spopovitch is a martial artist that was brought far above human limits. In my own opinion even regular Spopovitch would easily defeat Bear Bandit or Goku when defeated Bear Bandit for that matter.

[Fox666]

SSJ3 Goku vs South Kaioshin.

Kid Boo absorbed the South Kaioshin, and, as we see in the manga, Boo only ever absorbed others when they were stronger than him. I know that we don't have enough details about the incident, the South Kaioshin could've had some strange strength-unrelated power that Boo couldn't overcome, and that Boo was different than this Boo, but IMO, this is the best assumption to make, based on the information we were given.

He was far stronger than Dai Kaioshin...

[hleV]

He was far stronger than Dai Kaioshin...

There's no entry in the Strength Checker regarding Dai-Kaioshin's strength.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Concerning the Dai-Kaioshin's strength, I would assume that he's stronger than Kid Boo and he's the second-strongest Kaioshin, behind the South Kaioshin, stated to be the strongest (and there's no reason to assume that the East Kaioshin wasn't counting the Dai Kaioshin in his statement, since nothing suggests that, nor does he have reason to).

Kid Boo killed the North and West Kaioshin, but he absorbed the South and Dai Kaioshin, and as I aforementioned, Boo only ever absorbed others when they were stronger than him. I know that we don't have enough details about the incident, the South and Dai Kaioshin could've had some strange strength-unrelated powers that Boo couldn't overcome, and that Boo was different than this Boo, but IMO, this is the best assumption to make, based on the information given.

[Senzu_Bean]

Is it possible that all Kaioshin besides Shin were actually fused through Potara? I'm saying this because I remember Elder Kaioshin reacting to Shin ignorance of the Potara with "these kids now days don't know anything" or something along the line.

Shin was the youngest of all Kaioshin back then and as far as we know the other four aren't clueless like him.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Is it possible that all Kaioshin besides Shin were actually fused through Potara? I'm saying this because I remember Elder Kaioshin reacting to Shin ignorance of the Potara with "these kids now days don't know anything" or something along the line.

There's nothing that really suggests that. Sure, the others may've known about Potara, but it doesn't mean that they all decided to use it for Fusion. Just, perhaps, that if the worse came to worst, they'd have to use it to fend off a threat--such as Boo. Who knows, maybe the North and Kaioshin merged together to try and fight Boo, but it wasn't enough. Or maybe they didn't, and they were killed before they could merge. And the South and Dai Kaioshin didn't need to use it since they were stronger than Boo anyway, but were absorbed by him before they could merge to defeat him before they discovered he could absorb people, unless they never knew he could absorb people in the first place. I'm just throwing things out here.

And what about Kibito? He was apparently the Kaioshin's attendant. Assumedly, not just the East Kaioshin, but all the Kaioshin's attendant. Although perhaps he was just the East Kaioshin's attendant, chosen just for him because he was the youngest, the weakest and the newest, so he needed help rearing up for the job. Which could/would explain why he appears to not know about the Potara's merging capabilities too. Perhaps the only experience he had with the Kaioshin was being the East Kaioshin's attendant and/or tutor of some sort, or just that they never bothered to tell him since he was only an attendant, and perhaps only a temporary one anyway, so why risk telling him delicate and potentially dangerous information that he doesn't need to know and/or may tell to others outside the Kaioshin Realm?

I realize I'm just babbling now, but it's nice to speculate.

[Senzu_Bean]

I managed to find the quote in question:

Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P6.7
Context: after Elder Kaioshin explains about the Potara
Kaioshin: “I-I didn’t know about them…”
Elder Kaioshin: “Young people these days really are hopeless…That’s why you’re so weak, despite being a Kaioshin. Here, test it out a little. You and Kibito can use your own Potara…”

Elder Kaioshin seems to imply a relation between Shin weakness and his ignorance of the Potara. Maybe those other are indeed merged through Potara. Maybe Kaioshin have some kind of weird habit in merging each other and with others through Potara. Maybe they aren't but it's indeed nice to speculate.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Well, all it implies is that the older Kaioshin know about the Potara and Shin, being the youngest and most underwhelming sack of disappointment, doesn't.

Also, merging still got to be a big deal, even within the Kaioshin. You're merged permanently, and I think they'd only use the Potara if they really needed to. As far as we know, Boo, and perhaps the mysterious bad guy who trapped the old Kaioshin in the Z-Sword for so long, were the only universal threats that the Kaioshin felt the need to step in.

And maybe it's worth mentioning that the old Kaioshin only ever wound up merged because the witch took one of his Potara earrings and put it on without knowing its properties.

[FNF]

I do like this theory to explain how they were strong enough to challenge Kid/Buff Buu and how Buff Buu was strong but the potara would just split after they were absorbed.

I remember the exert in the manga which implies, to some extent, that South Kaioshin was a monster even for Buu;

“…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo…..”

So Kaioshin knew how Buu absorbed his prey but he even questions how South Kaioshin was absorbed as if he would have needed to be caught off guard.

[Fox666]

The use of "somehow" can be interpreted as if the absorptions is something very weird and unusual.

[FNF]

But Kaioshin knew how he absorbed his prey by this time so it shouldn't be any less 'unusual' than SSjin.

[hleV]

Yeah, Kaioshin already was well familiar with Boo's absorbtion ability, so I doubt that the "somehow" in Kaioshin's sentence means his surprise by such ability.

[lash]

"somehow" just expresses some form of unsureness.

East Kaioshin could have been on the other side of the universe when South Kaioshin was absorbed. Therefore he wouldn't know exactly how he was absorbed. He'd just see Boo all muscle bound and no South Kaioshin around...and just make a conclusion...that he was 'somehow absorbed'

Kid Boo absorbed the South Kaioshin, and, as we see in the manga, Boo only ever absorbed others when they were stronger than him. I know that we don't have enough details about the incident, the South Kaioshin could've had some strange strength-unrelated power that Boo couldn't overcome, and that Boo was different than this Boo, but IMO, this is the best assumption to make, based on the information given.

Yeah that's the problem. It's truly only valid for Super Boo. Pure Boo is pretty unpredictable. And as Super Boo himself says, Pure Boo completely isn't him.
Boo: “Th-that’s the only one you mustn’t tear out…! I-I’ll stop being me!”

I don't think we have much info with South Kaioshin to make a decision at all.

The matchup is like asking who's stronger...A SSJ from 1000 years ago or SSJ Goku on Namek. Just not enough information.