Detail Loss in the Orange Bricks: Not Seeing It

DragonBoxZTheMovies · Post by **DragonBoxZTheMovies** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:07 pm

Craddle wrote:
DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:It is, and I don't exactly have money oozing from my shorts, and finding a seller that ships internationally on Amazon is a real bitch (I have looked at buying from Rightstuf but I haven't gotten round to signing up). I have imported the 4th part of Dragon Ball Kai due to the scandal, but I don't really like taking money from my parents. Time to look for a job as soon as I turn 15 I reckon.

EDIT: Yeah I was talking about what was released here in NZ.
It's almost no point in bothering with them now anyway. If it was hard to find an international shipper before. It will be nearly impossible now.

If your interested in getting something to improve your collection over the Orange Bricks, I'd suggest the new Levels. They are Region B as well. I think you'd still have to import them though. (Not sure.) But at least they will be easier to obtain.

I haven't bought an orange brick in ages since I've been trying to keep up with the Kai releases as I decided that if I was going to go back and watch the series I'd probably do it through Kai. I've considered picking up the levels (Madman is putting them out by the way), but I've decided to wait in case they throw them into bigger sets later on although I do intend on picking up the first one and the ones that feature the 35mm film episodes.

GotenDaisuki · Post by **GotenDaisuki** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:11 pm

Luckily I wasn't a fan at the time while the Orange Bricks we're being released, so I never purchased one. Actually I think I became a fan right around the time when the first FUNimation Dragon Box was released. So lucky me.

Perfect · Post by **Perfect** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:20 pm

Even when I was younger, I could tell the US broadcast footage sucked, some people looked like they were from the Simpsons. When I saw the OB's footage in 2008, I thought it was even worse. I didn't purchase any of them, though a friend did give them to me because he didn't want them; they're long since trashed now.

Chibi Gohan · Post by **Chibi Gohan** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:32 pm

Regarding the Orange Bricks... they're a crime scene. The quality is so bad in those sets, that I don't think they could have done any worst if they tried. I'm not a huge fan of the extreme grain removal they tried in those sets, nor am I a huge fan of seeing parts of character's heads missing in a shot. However the biggest issue I had with the sets, with the footage I've seen, has to be the saturation. For me it's unwatchable as it literally begins to hurt my eyes after a while.

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:33 pm

Yeah, watching the Dragon Box is so relaxing and sexy for my eyes, that after a while I must hit the pause or they'll start jizzing.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:34 pm

MCDaveG wrote:Yeah, watching the Dragon Box is so relaxing and sexy for my eyes, that after a while I must hit the pause or they'll start jizzing.

... what?

Folks, c'mon. Seriously.

(The still-somewhat-broken-English isn't helping...)

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:26 am

jpdbzrulz4sure wrote:DragonBoxZTheMovies lives in New Zealand, according to his profile. The Dragon Boxes weren't released down there.

Oh, so he was just counting releases available to his country only then. I thought he was just talking in general for some reason.

SylentEcho · Post by **SylentEcho** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:44 am

I own both. I bought a few of the OBs in 2006/7 when they were released. After seeing the DBox clarity on my TV, I decided straight away that this was the way to watch the show.

The OBs clip an inch of footage from the top and bottom. This sometimes is really annoying because one can't see the character's full face while they talk. Many a time, Vegeta's talking and you can't see his mouth.

Comparing the Dbox and the OBs on the PC monitor is not the way. Get one of each and watch them on a big enough LCD TV at the very least or Plasma & LED is even better and you'll see the HUGE difference between the two.

I own the Orange Bricks and I know I'll never watch them again. I'll probably give them away to some of my friends. If I ever want to hear the Faulconer score, I can just watch my singles or listen to Faulconer's music on my PC.

The thing is, an ultimate release of something like DBZ would obviously be limited in quality hence the DBs were discontinued. The OBs on the other hand sell well because of it's value for money. It's about 40 episodes per box with triple audio, supposed remastering at a really low cost.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:11 pm

I had a bunch of comparisons made to show examples of the DVNR smudging, but this one stood out above all else:

Dragon Box:

Season Set:

Look right at the insides of his shoulder guards. The detailed lines of the original become a blurry mess in the Season Set's footage due to the noise reduction.

Here are a few other good examples I have of detail loss:

Dragon Box:

Season Set:

^His mouth is gone, and look how much blurrier the folds in his shirt are.

Dragon Box:

Season Set:

^His mouth is nearly gone again!

Dragon Box:

Season Set:

^The blotchy, very blurred grain is lost detail, and is indicative of how much blurring was done to the footage. Just look how blurry Vegeta is!

SylentEcho · Post by **SylentEcho** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:23 am

Dragon Box:

Orange Bricks:

Just look at that! An inch cut out from the top and bottom, over saturation and high contrast. Totally unlike the original.

I don't even need to say anything here.

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:38 am

SylentEcho wrote:
I don't even need to say anything here.

Uh... I don't wanna advocate the shitty Orange Bricks, but I have to say that this is one of the unfairest comparisons I've ever seen.

funrush · Post by **funrush** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:45 am

kei17 wrote:
SylentEcho wrote:~snip~
I don't even need to say anything here.
Uh... I don't wanna advocate the shitty Orange Bricks, but I have to say that this is one of the unfairest comparisons I've ever seen.

Um... how so?

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:08 am

funrush wrote:
kei17 wrote:
SylentEcho wrote:~snip~
I don't even need to say anything here.
Uh... I don't wanna advocate the shitty Orange Bricks, but I have to say that this is one of the unfairest comparisons I've ever seen.
Um... how so?

Look at those legs. The image size isn't corresponding at all.

Great Saiyaman I · Post by **Great Saiyaman I** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:09 pm

I think he was trying to saw the image looked so bad you don't even need a comparison shot.

samuraix123 · Post by **samuraix123** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:23 pm

No offence to anyone But I thought everyone knew these season sets sucked by now? I can't believe that I waisted my money on them. But My brother is wanting to buy them from me. After everything I've told him about them, he still thinks they look better than the Dragon-boxes and the Blu-Rays

How can anyone defend something like this? And who said at Funimation ''Damn these season sets are coming along just great'' lol
Coming great my ass lol

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:53 pm

kei17 wrote: Uh... I don't wanna advocate the shitty Orange Bricks, but I have to say that this is one of the unfairest comparisons I've ever seen.

Yeah, all of SylentEcho's images he just posted are bad for comparisons. The season set Piccolo shot isn't even at the right size, and clearly isn't indicative as to how it really looks.

GotenDaisuki · Post by **GotenDaisuki** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:14 pm

samuraix123 wrote:No offence to anyone But I thought everyone knew these season sets sucked by now? I can't believe that I waisted my money on them. But My brother is wanting to buy them from me. After everything I've told him about them, he still thinks they look better than the Dragon-boxes and the Blu-Rays

Yeah, I can't believe some people would prefer something like the Orange Bricks over the Dragon Boxes or Blu-rays. And what's worse is, because of the Dragon Boxes' discontinuation in process, the Orange Bricks, once again, will be the only "complete" release of the series on DVD. So people who don't have a Blu-ray player have to settle for the Orange Bricks once the Dragon Boxes are gone.

UnbiasedDBZfan · Post by **UnbiasedDBZfan** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:40 pm

The orange bricks aren't THAT bad. Sure there's some loss of image BUT you have to realize it was meant for HD in the first place. If you don't have a HD-TV, then it sucks for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDtGDztMle8
Also listen to this guy you might learn something! Hehe!

Son Satan · Post by **Son Satan** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:45 pm

UnbiasedDBZfan wrote:The orange bricks aren't THAT bad. Sure there's some loss of image BUT you have to realize it was meant for HD in the first place.

Except that they were released on DVDs, which can't run in HD. The footage was mastered in 1080p, and then had to be downgraded for DVDs. Not that HD would make the bricks look less shitty.

UnbiasedDBZfan · Post by **UnbiasedDBZfan** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:54 pm

Son Satan wrote:
UnbiasedDBZfan wrote:The orange bricks aren't THAT bad. Sure there's some loss of image BUT you have to realize it was meant for HD in the first place.
Except that they were released on DVDs, which can't run in HD. The footage was mastered in 1080p, and then had to be downgraded for DVDs. Not that HD would make the bricks look less shitty.

Buy a 52 inch TV then! Or Perhaps tune up your settings!! Also seasons the later seasons don't have the same grain issue that the earlier season had. Proof
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... zs6n_kcPfA
This looks very good. I don't see this forum's issue with the quality of said season sets

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